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I needed replacements years ago (I have a congenital defect in the cartilage and have had 3x surgeries on them over the years, to the point that there's nothing left to fix). I declined the replacements because they typically last 15 years, which means I'd be getting another set about now. Yikes! Instead, I just moan and groan, use braces, an occasional cane, ice packs, and pain meds. Oh, and complain a lot to my wife.

 

Good luck with the PT!

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Six Million Dollar Man doses not have a chance now!  LOL  Actually i was advised to keep the running to a minimum.  I do not want to were out my new knees prematurely.

...so in other words, you're going to be wearing out your ass for awhile. lol ;)

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Been 3 weeks since surgery, 54 staples came out last Thursday.  Seems that I am having more pain with this one but will just keep going forward.

 

Gracie has run head first into the knee playing.  She is constantly trying to sit on it.  Today I came home from Physical Therapy and she was playing and bit the shit out of my knee.  My Dr told me I could not hurt it but I think Gracie is trying to brake it.  Gracie is almost 10 months now and weighs about 95 pounds.  She is a handfull, hard headed and she thinks she is boss.

 

I hope to be able to start doing some work in the garage in the next couple weeks.  Shawn told me if I needed help to let him know.  He told me that he did not care if all I could do is sit in the chair.  I think if I sit in the chair I will be out of Shawn's way so he can get more done faster.  LOL

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Bite her hard enough that she knows your there on the ear, just inside of painful. Should straighten out right after

I've know a couple other dog people that have done that.  I was a bit shocked to watch it the first time, and surprised to see the immediate reaction.  The one guy had 5 dogs....loved them more than anyone else....including his wife.  When the big one started to nip at him, he bit his ear.....reminded him who's boss.  The other was a dog trainer for the military many moons ago.  I'm pretty sure it was just a one time thing.  

......hhhmmmm........is that why guys nibble on a girls ear when they're dating?  LOL!!  

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There always needs to be at least one contrarian per topic, so here goes...

 

"Military" does not = 'good' ... it is a very specific set of skills, and in the dog training world, I would argue that most people would not want their pet animals trained as military animals. One is play, the other is work.  If course, some people want both, but in my experience as a long-time dog trainer, both isn't truly possible.  

 

As for biting back... I have mixed feelings on that, and there are other ways to fix undesirable behavior without corporal punishment.

 

Contrarian out.

 

Hope you continue to recover quickly, Charlie.

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I was basically saying that I've seen it done......not necessarily saying it was good or bad or that I'd even consider doing it. lol  But.....if biting my wife's ear will keep her in line......I'm all for that! ;)  hhhhmmm......but she may decide she needs to bite something of mine to keep me inline....................................reconsidering the ear thing. lol

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The last two Great Danes I had.  This was when we first brought Helga, the puppy home to meet King.  I think King was thinking "Why did you bring this obnoxious energetic thing to me?" 

When I first took both dogs to the dog park, King was very protective of her, and would not let any other dogs close to her.

This was in January, 2006.
HelgaandKing1.JPG

 

Helga, in a pasture, soon after.
InGrass.JPG

 

Helga, with her favorite toy, that day.
PullToy.JPG

 

I think she did this head tilt when she heard the camera noise.
Question.JPG

A few months later, after a growth spurt.
BedStretch.JPG

 

This is a toy she found at the dog park, a new best toy in the whole wide world, for today.
Toy2.JPG

 

These are Kong balls.  I would buy a box of the smallest dog biscuits I could find, and put the dog biscuits in the ball, and give the ball to Helga, and she would play with the ball in the house, trying to get the dog biscuits out.
KongBall.JPG

 

This ended up being her favorite outside toy, a Jolly ball.
BouncyBall2.jpeg

 

I have got the jolly ball, and she wants it.  She knew sitting was polite way of asking me to give her what she wanted.
Helga.jpeg

 

Just a picture of Helga running in the pasture
PastureRun3.JPG

 

Helga lines having her belly rubbed.
OnBed6.JPG

 

She is getting older in these pictures.
OnCouch.JPG

 

This is the last picture of Helga, before I said good bye.   She had developed bone cancer in her hip, and could no longer run, and I had to help her from a sit to standing in the last few days.  Early summer, 2016.
Goodbye2.JPG

 

A tired dog is a good dog.  

Helga was playful, really playful.  

With both King and Helga, when they were young, I would play a game, "Bite this".  This is how it worked.  the puppy would "mouth", or gently bite, sometimes not so gently, bite my hand.  I would take their paw, or tail, and put it in the dogs mouth, and they would end up biting them selves.  I do not know if that taught the puppy "do not bite" or "biting hurts others"  

 

Later, and when we were playing with the Jolly ball, if I got my hand on the handle of the jolly ball before Helga got her mouth on the handle, and she then felt my hand. she would immediately let me have the ball.   You have to understand playing with the Jolly ball was a very intense game of keep away, that Helga enjoyed winning.

 

 

I think Gracie wants to play with you.  She does not know how humans play, she knows how dogs play.  Dogs sometimes play aggressively.  Gracie needs a place where she can run.  Take Gracie to a large dog park, if you do not have areas at home where she can run.

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When Atlas was just a baby (6 months old or so, he's 3 now), he and I were playing and as I leaned down, he jumped up... he got this permanent bump on the nose (I took this pic a few minutes ago. We are watching TV in the mancave)...

 

at_nose.jpg

 

... I got a crack in my supraorbital ridge, a couple of stitches, and had to calm down my wife, who (from the amount of blood, and the fact I was out cold) thought I was dead.

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I've know a couple other dog people that have done that. I was a bit shocked to watch it the first time, and surprised to see the immediate reaction. The one guy had 5 dogs....loved them more than anyone else....including his wife. When the big one started to nip at him, he bit his ear.....reminded him who's boss. The other was a dog trainer for the military many moons ago. I'm pretty sure it was just a one time thing.

......hhhmmmm........is that why guys nibble on a girls ear when they're dating? LOL!!

I've always had good results. And that might be part of it
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There always needs to be at least one contrarian per topic, so here goes...

 

"Military" does not = 'good' ... it is a very specific set of skills, and in the dog training world, I would argue that most people would not want their pet animals trained as military animals. One is play, the other is work. If course, some people want both, but in my experience as a long-time dog trainer, both isn't truly possible.

 

As for biting back... I have mixed feelings on that, and there are other ways to fix undesirable behavior without corporal punishment.

 

Contrarian out.

 

Hope you continue to recover quickly, Charlie.

you're not supposed to bite hard enough to cause actual pain, just mild discomfort. No5 corporal punishment it's actually how they establish dominance themselves.
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you're not supposed to bite hard enough to cause actual pain, just mild discomfort. No5 corporal punishment it's actually how they establish dominance themselves.

You and I are talking about philosophical differences here.

 

I understand very well "the dog mind." I did obedience training for decades, and have trained scores of dogs to CM, CGC, CD, and CDX titles, including at least a dozen of my own.

 

The philosophy you're espousing is that you represent the "top dog" in a pack of dogs. I understand that, but (and you will find universal debate on both sides in the dog training world) I don't see ME as a dog. I see me as a person... yes, I'm "the boss," but I'm not a dog, and none of my other human family and friends are dogs (and my cats aren't dogs, and the wildlife on my property, and so on)... so we don't pretend. While letting dogs be dogs (as @DanielC correctly pointed out in his previous post), they can be taught to understand that not every living creature is a dog... or a member of their particular pack (actually, they already know this quite well, so actively training around this fact is not that far-fetched <-- pun ). My dogs, and dogs I have trained, all learned that the handler is both _in charge_ AND _not a dog member of their pack_. It works.

 

Biting the dog is a fear tactic (regardless of how 'gently' you do it). I don't find value in teaching members of my family to fear me. I suppose it's why I didn't beat my kid either (though there are plenty of times I wanted to).

 

Again, just philosophical differences.

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The last two Great Danes I had.  This was when we first brought Helga, the puppy home to meet King.  I think King was thinking "Why did you bring this obnoxious energetic thing to me?" 

When I first took both dogs to the dog park, King was very protective of her, and would not let any other dogs close to her.

This was in January, 2006.

HelgaandKing1.JPG

 

Helga, in a pasture, soon after.

InGrass.JPG

 

Helga, with her favorite toy, that day.

PullToy.JPG

 

I think she did this head tilt when she heard the camera noise.

Question.JPG

A few months later, after a growth spurt.

BedStretch.JPG

 

This is a toy she found at the dog park, a new best toy in the whole wide world, for today.

Toy2.JPG

 

These are Kong balls.  I would buy a box of the smallest dog biscuits I could find, and put the dog biscuits in the ball, and give the ball to Helga, and she would play with the ball in the house, trying to get the dog biscuits out.

KongBall.JPG

 

This ended up being her favorite outside toy, a Jolly ball.

BouncyBall2.jpeg

 

I have got the jolly ball, and she wants it.  She knew sitting was polite way of asking me to give her what she wanted.

Helga.jpeg

 

Just a picture of Helga running in the pasture

PastureRun3.JPG

 

Helga lines having her belly rubbed.

OnBed6.JPG

 

She is getting older in these pictures.

OnCouch.JPG

 

This is the last picture of Helga, before I said good bye.   She had developed bone cancer in her hip, and could no longer run, and I had to help her from a sit to standing in the last few days.  Early summer, 2016.

Goodbye2.JPG

 

A tired dog is a good dog.  

Helga was playful, really playful.  

With both King and Helga, when they were young, I would play a game, "Bite this".  This is how it worked.  the puppy would "mouth", or gently bite, sometimes not so gently, bite my hand.  I would take their paw, or tail, and put it in the dogs mouth, and they would end up biting them selves.  I do not know if that taught the puppy "do not bite" or "biting hurts others"  

 

Later, and when we were playing with the Jolly ball, if I got my hand on the handle of the jolly ball before Helga got her mouth on the handle, and she then felt my hand. she would immediately let me have the ball.   You have to understand playing with the Jolly ball was a very intense game of keep away, that Helga enjoyed winning.

 

 

I think Gracie wants to play with you.  She does not know how humans play, she knows how dogs play.  Dogs sometimes play aggressively.  Gracie needs a place where she can run.  Take Gracie to a large dog park, if you do not have areas at home where she can run.

DanielC thank you for sharing these pictures and story.  Beautiful Great Danes.  Love the story of King the protector!

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