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#1 datzenmike

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:09 PM

If you don't, and have some cooling issues under extreme conditions of heat and or hill climbing maybe this is the answer.

 

 

Can't find it in my parts call up so, 'belly pan' will have to do. It's roughly triangle shape and fits with 4 bolts between the two tension rods and the back of the engine cross member. Has a hole (mine does) so you can get at the rad petcock but covers under the oil pump, alternator and crank pulley and distributor. It's always in the way, or when it's in the way, it gets taken off and then as it doesn't seem to do much it often is not put back on.

 

 

I haven had one on forever and the car ran well temperature wise with the clutch fan whirring away. Running full throttle for 10 min up a mountain in 3rd or 4th the gauge would go up a couple of needle widths. I notice that with electric fans (come on at about 2/3) that it will climb to 3/4 and threatens more on long climbs because the low speed doesn't push near enough air through the rad. Was climbing a pass in the Kootenays last summer with a strong tail wind and the temp gauge was near the top of the run range. I had to pull over and let the fans catch up. On cruise, level roads, it's consistently higher than the clutch fan but well below the fans coming on. So I take a good look at how I can force more air through the rad, I've already removed the air con condenser, and sealed around the rad, and the rubber apron on the under side of the hood that closes down on the rad support is there. So what's to stop the air just going under the rad and up behind it? Not much but maybe the belly pan would. I should imagine it keeps road splash off alternator, pulleys, belts and distributor, but most of all forms a low pressure area behind the rad by denying air up from under the front end.

 

I found one, (I should have 3) and put it on. Looking forward to seeing if it has the effect I want.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 01:01 PM

Splash board, splash pan, protector...
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 01:19 PM

Splash pan, I like that better. I can't find it or the part number. The 510 is U shape. 


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 01:59 PM

Gravel shield

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:41 PM

Good stuff so true that it cools better with it, also called the snow shield


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:54 PM

Snow shield in the winter

Splash shield when it rains

Gravel pan on the back roads.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:38 PM

Skin shield for our Allahu Akbar friends?
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:16 PM

Cooling tips for Phoenix when it gets up to 130
1. Seal between radiator support and hood
2. Fan shroud and snow shield mandatory
3. Extra blade on fan
4. Foam seals between condenser and radiator all around
5. Sometimes a 195 t-stat would keep the coolant in the radiator longer than a 180 and cool better
6. Electric fans seem to not be sufficient at a 5-way intersection waiting for a train
7. The faster you go the hotter it gets means radiator plugged, happens every 80k, or too small
8. Toyota offered silicone to rebuild fan clutches so added 1 tube to Datsun fan clutch.
9. Copper radiators cool better
10. Parked the Datsun and drove the Ford that day
Has anyone tried the waterless coolant yet, seems like the answer


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:29 PM

Splash pan. I left mine off for a while, it’s amazing where water ends up when it isn’t there.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:27 PM

5. Sometimes a 195 t-stat would keep the coolant in the radiator longer than a 180 and cool better

 
This has never ever made any sense to me. The amount of time coolant is in the rad so it can shed heat. On a running engine the thermostat is only closed below it's design limit. Between closed and full open is about 8 degrees. Once they are full open, nothing changes and if the outside air temp goes up or the engine load goes up, the engine temp must go up above the thermostat rating. Restricting the flow through the rad cannot possibly be a good thing. I say the faster it circulates the better, here's why. Heat transfers best and fastest when there is a large difference in temperature between two objects like coolant and ambient air. The top of the rad will transfer more heat than the bottom that has already lost some heat and is cooler. The faster you circulate water, the hotter the rad is overall and the more heat is shed.

 

 

 


Splash pan. I left mine off for a while, it’s amazing where water ends up when it isn’t there.

 

I've splashed through deep puddles and the charge light comes on for a block. Either belt slippage or brushes wet of both.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 07:54 PM

Growing up in Riverside CA desert heat, and where few pickup drivers secure their loads...I vote to call it the Alligator shield
(tire scraps, fiberglass body chunks, disintegrated aluminum ladders, etc.)

I like Noramost's suggestion, extra fan blade.Standard L20b clutch fan has 7 blades.

620 AC clutch fan has 8 blades to increase air flow, exact same as a 1980 200SX L20b a little bit shorter blades, and a little less pitch to reduce noise.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:00 PM

PS,
when I installed AC for Econo Motors Datsun in the desert we always re-installed the gator shields, and foam tape sealed around radiators and between rad and hood.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:58 PM

I've never seen one for a 710 or 610 ... I know the 510 one doesn't fit

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 09:11 PM

*Indy, where ya been?

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:42 AM

I've never seen one for a 710 or 610 ... I know the 510 one doesn't fit

 

I took mine off the goon and the sedan. I had a second goon but don't remember if it had it's. There may be a second one laying around. Like I said, roughly triangle shape, the 510 is U shape. Almost looks like a skid pan, but not, too thin, it only deflects air.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:16 AM

in Phoenix if you remove the t-stat you can overheat because the water speed from the pump is increased and the heat exchanger does not have enough time to do it's job but you are rite, 5W oil cools better than 10/30 because it travels through the oil coolers faster, must be one of those 2 and 2 equals 5 things. I'm making my snow shield for my 510 out of 1/8 aluminum, i still have the stock one but I want a bigger shinier one with a cut-out for the KA24DE drain plug


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:51 AM

I only ever ran 5w in a B-210 at 20 below. Never in any other condition.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:30 AM

Wouldn't your oil pressure drop if you ran a single weight thin oil in extreme heat??? We always ran thicker oil in our hot environment in the 70's.  



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Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:41 AM

You should consider building your belly pan out of wood living on an island and all, with raising sea levels you might need the buoyancy. But seriously fans and shrouds are low speed solutions, above 30 air speed cools and your fan clutch cycles because of heat but is not necessary at highway speeds. I would suspect your radiator is partially plugged. We used to flush @ 80k and re-core @160k with a larger core because old engines run hotter. I used to use the metal edge off a whipper insert and push it in one of the 6 tubes you can see from the radiator cap hole. It plugs in the bottom 4" of the core and you can't see it but the steel edge will feel the restriction and when you pull it back out the white milky crud comes up with it. You can also use a temp gun and check for cold spots in the core or wait for 20 below, that aught to do it.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:49 AM

I switched to 5/30 in my non-diesel cars with a pt of BG-MOA for insurance. It probably is not good logic but I figured if the million $ Indy cars use it-it might be good enough for me, my OP seems to be the same.


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