noramost Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 I'm parting out an 83 200SX with a 5 spd ans some sort of t-belt engine, will the trans work in anything else? Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 This is a dog leg trans, eh? Reverse over first? Trans, yeah. Rear-end...prepare for lots of PMs. If I still had a 210 I'd be all over that. Quote Link to comment
Doctor510 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Check the block to see if the motor is a CA18 or CA20. Tyranny will not fit an L series. Quote Link to comment
Tucson620 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Tyranny will not fit an L series. :rofl: Sig line material there 3 Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Now that I have actually paid attention to what OP wrote...there is t much on that 200sx that will work in the Datsun world. Car is more valuable to someone as a whole. At least here. Quote Link to comment
Doctor510 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Check the block to see if the motor is a CA18 or CA20. Tyranny will not fit an L series. :rofl: Sig line material there No mention of what T belt motor... Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 I'm parting out an 83 200SX with a 5 spd ans some sort of t-belt engine, will the trans work in anything else? Also, not possible if stock. 1983 would be an S110 chassis, Z20E/Z22E engine (timing chain). 1984 would be an S12 chassis, CA20E engine (timing belt). CA trans only fits a CA. Z20/Z22 trans really only fits a Z20/Z22/Z24 engine, but can be used on an L in a pinch. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 '82-.83 S110 200sx were Z22E engines. '84 and on S12 200sx had the CA18ET, CA20E and VG30E engines. The transmission is a direct bolt in, to the earlier '80-'81 S110 200sx and the '81-'86 gas engine 720 if you check the lengths. Quote Link to comment
noramost Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Thanks King Rat if I understand you correctly you are saying my C-5spd will fit a 81-86-Z-22-24 but it won't fit my 92-D-21 Z-24 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Everything I said was for the 31.5" long FS5W71B transmission used on a Z series engine. The D21 Hardbody truck 71C is (I think) slightly shorter than the 71B but might fit. The longer 71B may not fit where the 71C fit. Too tight? So the 71B will bolt to the Hardbody Z24 but may be a little long. In addition the 71B is a weaker transmission than the 71C. The S13 and S14 car 71Cs were much longer and not even close. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Thanks King Rat if I understand you correctly you are saying my C-5spd will fit a 81-86-Z-22-24 but it won't fit my 92-D-21 Z-24 A CA 5 speed only fits a CA engine. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Engine verification has not been provided...thus year of vehicle still unknown. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Says '83 200sx. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Says '83 200sx. Also says engine has timing belt. Quote Link to comment
noramost Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Thanks guys, it's a C20, I think I will take it to the crusher this week, anybody need a 5-spd boat anchor? Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 No one on CL wants that thing? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 There were two CA 5 speeds, a wide used on the CA18ET and a mid ratio used on the CA20E but both have the much better 2nd to 3rd shift without the big RPM drop. Second is moved very slightly away from first and closer to third so the drop is less noticeable. (true the first/second now has a 5% increase in RPM drop but it's in the lower gears/speed and not as noticeable as the 2/3 shift at higher speeds) On the CA 5 speeds the 2/3 shift RPM drop is 33% (wide) 31% (mid) verses the 37% drop on all the previous wide and mid ratio transmissions. Depends on the year CA, it's still a good 5 speed. Up to '86.5 (model year) it was a 71B. After '86.5 it was a 71C. A 4 or 5 speed 71B front case and a new 56mm counter bearing will convert it to L series IF it's a 71B to begin with. After is problematic, but doable. Quote Link to comment
noramost Posted April 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 There were two CA 5 speeds, a wide used on the CA18ET and a mid ratio used on the CA20E but both have the much better 2nd to 3rd shift without the big RPM drop. Second is moved very slightly away from first and closer to third so the drop is less noticeable. (true the first/second now has a 5% increase in RPM drop but it's in the lower gears/speed and not as noticeable as the 2/3 shift at higher speeds) On the CA 5 speeds the 2/3 shift RPM drop is 33% (wide) 31% (mid) verses the 37% drop on all the previous wide and mid ratio transmissions. Depends on the year CA, it's still a good 5 speed. Up to '86.5 (model year) it was a 71B. After '86.5 it was a 71C. A 4 or 5 speed 71B front case and a new 56mm counter bearing will convert it to L series IF it's a 71B to begin with. After is problematic, but doable. The first time I went to a factory Datsun school in Gardina in 1969 there where a lot of Datsun Auto Engineers running around the dyno room writing things down on their clip boards in their white lab coats, were you one of them? I'm impressed! Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 No. Mike just really likes trannies. 2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have an '85 CA18ET 5 speed laying around. That's the wide ratio with the low 3.592 first gear and 62mm counter bearing. I counted the main and counter gears and confirmed them. I also have a spare L series front case for it..... some day.... Some of this stuff I heard about or researched it but can't always remember the exact numbers. But I know where to look for it. Some I wrote down and saved. Have about 600+ 'tranny' related pictures. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Have about 600+ 'tranny' related pictures. Okay, now you're just taunting me... Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 After '86.5 it was a 71C. A 4 or 5 speed 71B front case and a new 56mm counter bearing will convert it to L series IF it's a 71B to begin with. After is problematic, but doable. FYI, it's just a matter of machining out one of the holes in the front half of the case for the larger shift rail. Done this a few times before to be able to use a KA/SR trans behind a turbo L-series... Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Yes a 16mm hole where the 14mm was for the 1/2 shift rod. It also requires machining around the counter bearing area on the front case for clearance or risk pinching when the case bolts are tightened up. FS5W71C FS5W71B case modified to take a 71C internal gears, 62mm counter bearing and 16mm 1/2 shift rod. See that thin toothed wheel just behind the lower counter bearing and in front of the counter drive gear? I think this is an oil slinger to lube the two large bearings, can't see any other use for it. This will pinch the front case if it isn't clearanced. 71C gears are also wider (front to back) to increase strength so not much room left. In the top picture near the 16mm hole... see that little J shape and the small hole. I think this and the front cover plate supply splash oil to the two front bearings through it. 71B and 71C front covers. See the extra slots added on the C? . Quote Link to comment
noramost Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 King Rat can you build a Nissan 5spd for an in-line engine using a 4:11 dff that makes it all the way across the intersection before shifting to 2nd? We all know Nissan can't Quote Link to comment
noramost Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Show us a picture of L-trans bell-housing that bolts to a Toyota 5-spd, we can make a Toyota pilot bushing and run a Toyota disk under a Nissan p-plate and then we can go slow faster Quote Link to comment
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