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#1 noramost

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  • Location:Prescott, Arizona
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Posted 30 March 2018 - 06:55 AM

I'm parting out an 83 200SX with a 5 spd ans some sort of t-belt engine, will the trans work in anything else?


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#2 flatcat19

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 09:57 AM

This is a dog leg trans, eh? Reverse over first?


Trans, yeah. Rear-end...prepare for lots of PMs.

If I still had a 210 I'd be all over that.

You can't hang if your nuts haven't dropped...it's physics


#3 Doctor510

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 10:02 AM

Check the block to see if the motor is a CA18 or CA20.  Tyranny will not fit an L series.



#4 Tucson620

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  • Cars:'71 521, '74 260Z

Posted 30 March 2018 - 11:07 AM

Tyranny will not fit an L series.

 

:rofl:

 

Sig line material there



#5 flatcat19

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 12:42 PM

Now that I have actually paid attention to what OP wrote...there is t much on that 200sx that will work in the Datsun world.


Car is more valuable to someone as a whole. At least here.

You can't hang if your nuts haven't dropped...it's physics


#6 Doctor510

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 03:02 PM

Check the block to see if the motor is a CA18 or CA20.  Tyranny will not fit an L series.

 

:rofl:

 

Sig line material there

No mention of what T belt motor...



#7 datsunfreak

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  • Location:Arlington, TX
  • Cars:'73 1200 Coupe, '77 280Z

Posted 30 March 2018 - 06:26 PM

I'm parting out an 83 200SX with a 5 spd ans some sort of t-belt engine, will the trans work in anything else?

 

Also, not possible if stock. 1983 would be an S110 chassis, Z20E/Z22E engine (timing chain). 1984 would be an S12 chassis, CA20E engine (timing belt). 

 

CA trans only fits a CA. Z20/Z22 trans really only fits a Z20/Z22/Z24 engine, but can be used on an L in a pinch. 


It's your car, just don't ruin it.


This seems like an elaborate ploy to get me to say "I like the D".


#8 datzenmike

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  • Location:Vancouver Island
  • Cars:'74 710 sedan, '76 710. prevoius... '78 620, '71 521, '68 510 new '76 B-210

Posted 02 April 2018 - 09:21 PM

'82-.83 S110 200sx were Z22E engines. '84 and on S12 200sx had the CA18ET, CA20E and VG30E engines. The transmission is a direct bolt in, to the earlier '80-'81 S110 200sx and the '81-'86 gas engine 720 if you check the lengths.


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#9 noramost

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 07:00 AM

Thanks King Rat if I understand you correctly you are saying my C-5spd will fit a 81-86-Z-22-24 but it won't fit my 92-D-21 Z-24


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#10 datzenmike

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 11:54 AM

Everything I said was for the 31.5" long FS5W71B transmission used on a Z series engine.

 

 

The D21 Hardbody truck 71C is (I think) slightly shorter than the 71B but might fit. The longer 71B may not fit where the 71C fit. Too tight? So the 71B will bolt to the Hardbody Z24 but may be a little long. In addition the 71B is a weaker transmission than the 71C.

 

The S13 and S14 car 71Cs were much longer and not even close.


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#11 datsunfreak

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 12:49 PM

Thanks King Rat if I understand you correctly you are saying my C-5spd will fit a 81-86-Z-22-24 but it won't fit my 92-D-21 Z-24

 

 

A CA 5 speed only fits a CA engine. 


It's your car, just don't ruin it.


This seems like an elaborate ploy to get me to say "I like the D".


#12 flatcat19

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 02:07 PM

Engine verification has not been provided...thus year of vehicle still unknown.

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#13 datzenmike

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  • Location:Vancouver Island
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 02:55 PM

Says '83 200sx.


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#14 flatcat19

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 03:10 PM

Says '83 200sx.


Also says engine has timing belt.

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#15 noramost

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 03:25 PM

Thanks guys, it's a C20, I think I will take it to the crusher this week, anybody need a 5-spd boat anchor?


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#16 flatcat19

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 03:49 PM

No one on CL wants that thing?

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#17 datzenmike

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 04:25 PM

 There were two CA 5 speeds, a wide used on the CA18ET and a mid ratio used on the CA20E but both have the much better 2nd to 3rd shift without the big RPM drop. Second is moved very slightly away from first and closer to third so the drop is less noticeable. (true the first/second now has a 5% increase in RPM drop but it's in the lower gears/speed and not as noticeable as the 2/3 shift at higher speeds) On the CA 5 speeds the 2/3 shift RPM drop is 33% (wide) 31% (mid) verses the 37% drop on all the previous wide and mid ratio transmissions.

 

 

 

Depends on the year CA, it's still a good 5 speed. Up to '86.5 (model year) it was a 71B. After '86.5 it was a 71C.

 

A 4 or 5 speed 71B front case and a new 56mm counter bearing will convert it to L series IF it's a 71B to begin with. After is problematic, but doable.


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#18 noramost

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 07:53 PM

 There were two CA 5 speeds, a wide used on the CA18ET and a mid ratio used on the CA20E but both have the much better 2nd to 3rd shift without the big RPM drop. Second is moved very slightly away from first and closer to third so the drop is less noticeable. (true the first/second now has a 5% increase in RPM drop but it's in the lower gears/speed and not as noticeable as the 2/3 shift at higher speeds) On the CA 5 speeds the 2/3 shift RPM drop is 33% (wide) 31% (mid) verses the 37% drop on all the previous wide and mid ratio transmissions.

 

 

 

Depends on the year CA, it's still a good 5 speed. Up to '86.5 (model year) it was a 71B. After '86.5 it was a 71C.

 

A 4 or 5 speed 71B front case and a new 56mm counter bearing will convert it to L series IF it's a 71B to begin with. After is problematic, but doable.

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#19 flatcat19

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 08:18 PM

No. Mike just really likes trannies.

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#20 datzenmike

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 08:38 PM

I have an '85 CA18ET 5 speed laying around. That's the wide ratio with the low 3.592 first gear and 62mm counter bearing. I counted the main and counter gears and confirmed them. I also have a spare L series front case for it..... some day....

 

Some of this stuff I heard about or researched it but can't always remember the exact numbers. But I know where to look for it. Some I wrote down and saved.  Have about 600+ 'tranny' related pictures.


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