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#1 ol' 320

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:45 AM

We used an MSD in line EFI fuel pump for the KA24DE swap into a 521.

 

This thing is louder than a horny woodpecker on Viagra pounding away on a steel flagpole.

 

Seriously, I bet you could hear this pump whining and chattering away over a SBC with open headers.

 

 

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https://www.speedway...Pump,31226.html

 

No turbo, not a high fuel demand. I don't want to switch to an in-tank pump. Who has used something that is quiet?

 

There are lots of posts on other forums about noisy MSD in line pumps ..... rubber isolators and even building an insulated shroud apparently don't offer real solutions, So I would like to hear what others have personal experience with.

 

Thanks!



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 12:07 PM

Make sure it is secure but not so secure it vibrates against the body. Most likely the sound is transmitted by contact with the frame? more than through the air under the car and through the window.  Wrap it in Dynamat sound deadener,. It's way way overpriced but will do the job. 


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 12:21 PM

Hi Mike: We should have read the hot rod forums before buying. It is insulated from the frame mount. I don't think any amount of dynamite would quiet this down. I North Korean missile launch is probably quieter...

 

I am trying to research non-vane pumps now as even MSD in its own forums admits these are noisy.

 

I appreciate any recommendations from people with experience with alternatives.



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 12:51 PM

Those 'P' clamps don't do much to deaden sound.

I use rubber isolators on my pump, from McMaster-Carr.

https://www.mcmaster...mounts/=1apoewg

 

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"All of a sudden it started making noise, then started losing power. I limped the car home and tried to get it up the driveway, the engine just died."

 

Why do people do this?

A $100 tow bill is never as much as the extra damage you cause by trying to "limp the car home".

 

Don't be that person !


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 03:06 PM

And loop or run longer hoses so it's not too rigid also.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 04:21 PM

And if your contemplating another pump, I highly suggest a real Walbro in line.

Being a vane pump has nothing to do with sound level.

I doubt the MSD is even made by them. I guessing it's out of china.

 

Not one of the chinese pos Walbro copies that so many online places are screwing people with.

http://www.fuel-pumps.net/ is the distributor for real ones. They have a whole page dedicated to the rip-off chinky copies.

 

Also, you did run a return line off the fuel pressure regulator, right ?


"All of a sudden it started making noise, then started losing power. I limped the car home and tried to get it up the driveway, the engine just died."

 

Why do people do this?

A $100 tow bill is never as much as the extra damage you cause by trying to "limp the car home".

 

Don't be that person !


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:02 PM

How about a 280z/zx pump?

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 04:07 AM

I have the same issue with my walboro. I wrapped it in a foam coozie and that helps. Mounting it back by the tank would help to. There is a reason for in tank pumps and we found it.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:31 AM

Sound reduction is only secondary or perhaps serendipitous. The fuel cools the constantly running electric motor and for best efficiency all fluid pumps work best pushing not pulling. The largest pump ever made can't pull a liquid vertically more than 34 feet.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 08:07 AM

And pulling it through that tinny little line that sticks down in the tank doesn't help either.

 

I have my Carter pump mounted right along side of the tank, and about center height.


"All of a sudden it started making noise, then started losing power. I limped the car home and tried to get it up the driveway, the engine just died."

 

Why do people do this?

A $100 tow bill is never as much as the extra damage you cause by trying to "limp the car home".

 

Don't be that person !


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 08:58 AM

Lower is better as the inlet gets gravity assist. I realize this isn't always practical. The 510 tank is shoulder height behind the rear seats, an in line could be mounted much lower


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 09:06 AM

You need to put the pump in the tank.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 05:44 AM

The harder you make that pump work (undersized lines) the louder it gets.  

Picture yourself sucking a malt through a regular straw or a McDonald's straw.  That's what your pump is dealing with.  

 

Take any pump and make it amplify pressure up to 60 psi and you'll also make noise.  Insulate, insulate, insulate.  The best way it to submerge it in fuel.  



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 06:48 AM

My aerotek is quiet. I have the foam that  comes with it isolating it from the mount  I am about to install one in the 4x4, It has ZX pump and it isn't quiet. .         

 

90psi.     

 

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 07:44 AM

My aerotek is quiet. I have the foam that  comes with it isolating it from the mount  I am about to install one in the 4x4, It has ZX pump and it isn't quiet. 90psi. 

 

Which model Aerotek is that? Thank you all for your comments and advice. If at all possible, we don't want to drop the tank and weld on it.

 

The lines are all new and 5/16. It is mounted very similar to how J2eDeYe did his.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:00 AM

 

 

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ZIP ties ??


"All of a sudden it started making noise, then started losing power. I limped the car home and tried to get it up the driveway, the engine just died."

 

Why do people do this?

A $100 tow bill is never as much as the extra damage you cause by trying to "limp the car home".

 

Don't be that person !


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:37 AM

HAHAHA!  They're probably the quietest and strongest way to mount it.  I'd be more worried about the teflon tape getting into the pump.  And the yellow crimp fitting on a small gauge wire, right under a double-clamped fuel line.  Is that a worm-gear clamp on a high pressure line???  No-no!! :poke:



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 10:25 AM

The fuel pump is from a 88 or so ford ranger. They are manufactured by a bunch of people. 

Be sure to mount it low so it stays full of fuel. And put a filter before it. I like to run one at the fuel rail as well in case the pump fails. 

 

 

 

ZIP ties ??

 

 

They are 3/8 wide 1/16 thick. If they are good for holding aircraft equipment in flight, I think they are ok to hold a pump on a truck.
 

 

 

HAHAHA!  They're probably the quietest and strongest way to mount it.  I'd be more worried about the teflon tape getting into the pump.  And the yellow crimp fitting on a small gauge wire, right under a double-clamped fuel line.  Is that a worm-gear clamp on a high pressure line???  No-no!! :poke:

 

 

There is no teflon tape and I wouldn't use any on a fuel system. 

The wire is 12 gauge, from the engine bay relay.

 

The double clamping you speak of, worm gear clamp on the low pressure side of the high pressure clamp. Maybe not optimum, but it hasn't leaked in however long I have been driving the truck. 

 

I also see no problem with the wire and hose routing as the hose is nowhere near the wiring in reality. You are not seeing that the fuel line is coming out towards the screen, note that it appears to get larger at that end. 


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 10:34 AM

Try a Bosch 044. There on a myriad amount of German cars, Score one in the bone yard for cheap.



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 10:34 AM

I still say in-tank. Best long term solution.