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#1 tdskip

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:59 AM

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#2 KELMO

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:24 AM

I have heard that some of the Italian designers worked for Nissan back in those days.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:55 AM

I have heard that some of the Italian designers worked for Nissan back in those days.

 

Pinin Farina designed the 410 and 411.  Actually the 411 was an in house reworking of the 410 to remove some superflous fold lines and redesign the trunk closure.



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:46 AM

Yep - hence the similarity. Didn't know about the 411 being a clean up.

 

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:46 AM

Pinin Farina designed the 410 and 411.  Actually the 411 was an in house reworking of the 410 to remove some superflous fold lines and redesign the trunk closure.

 

^This. Matsuo-san explained to us at ZCON that they changed the design of the trunk from the slight downward slope that Pinnin Farina designed because it reminded him of someone squatting over a toilet.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 05:47 PM

^This. Matsuo-san explained to us at ZCON that they changed the design of the trunk from the slight downward slope that Pinnin Farina designed because it reminded him of someone squatting over a toilet.

 

And without an absolutely perfect seal rubber, it would leak into the trunk and rot out the mats and floor steel.  Also, the droop of the trunk lid reminds me of a 2 year old with a load in his or her Doctor Dentons.  They also deleted the "crease" extension of the chrome under door trim pieces.  I much prefer the resultant 411 body lines to the original 410 [Italian form over function] details.  But then, there's the insane roof sheet metal spot welded into the body fixed drip rails!  Results in a car wide open spot welded seam in the middle of the water channel!  Needless to say, their non hardening and non cracking body sealant applied to this abominable design DOES in fact crack and harden.  Did I not mention that the drip rail has no drain feature?  Rain water accumulates in the rear quarter section of the drip rail and ultimately enters the above cracks and shrinkages.  Guess what water does to the spot welds!  Gotta love those Italian designers?



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 12:56 PM

And without an absolutely perfect seal rubber, it would leak into the trunk and rot out the mats and floor steel.  Also, the droop of the trunk lid reminds me of a 2 year old with a load in his or her Doctor Dentons.  They also deleted the "crease" extension of the chrome under door trim pieces.  I much prefer the resultant 411 body lines to the original 410 [Italian form over function] details.  But then, there's the insane roof sheet metal spot welded into the body fixed drip rails!  Results in a car wide open spot welded seam in the middle of the water channel!  Needless to say, their non hardening and non cracking body sealant applied to this abominable design DOES in fact crack and harden.  Did I not mention that the drip rail has no drain feature?  Rain water accumulates in the rear quarter section of the drip rail and ultimately enters the above cracks and shrinkages.  Guess what water does to the spot welds!  Gotta love those Italian designers?

My unrestored 1964 410 has mint floors, trunk pan and deck lid. I don't think you're correct. In regard to body style, a production run doesn't last forever. A run of 3 or 4 years is appropriate for the (410) body style, the 411 was just a revamped version of the 410 to improve sales and keep continuing production cheap since its essentially the same car. 


Edit:  Even with the seals as dry and cracked as they are, it still doesn't leak and I leave it outside. 


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:00 PM

Nothing looks finer. 
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