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#1 Icehouse

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:13 PM

Lately I've been dreaming of building a Lucky Dog racecar.  There rules allow you to build basically anything.   While doing some research into different engines I ran across a thread comparing a SR20DET to a VQ35 and LS of coarse   .  The take home message was "go LS" which I don't want to do.  I did find it interesting however they said the VQ and SR were within LBS of each other.  This weekend I plan on double checking them.  I borrowed a calibrated load cell from work and machined an adapter for it.  I did a test measure and the Single Cam KA with all accessories, starter, flywheel, exhaust manifold and clutch weights more then the other forum said the VQ weighted.  I plan on measure them all in the same configuration.  Since I could run whatever trans on whatever engine if I really wanted to.  Here some pictures because reading sucks. 

 

 

 

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:52 AM

Real world weights. I love it.

People sling weights around all the time but it's hard to know how complete a unit they are talking about.

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:58 AM

250 260 280 for L16/18/L20B and KAs were 380. FWIW...These were the numbers given from long ago.

 

 That's an S13 KA with heavier block and crank girdle. The D21 should be less.


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:31 PM

Like I suspected the VQ is way heavier then the SR.  


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Posted 04 November 2017 - 07:23 AM

I think I would rather have the larger displacement.


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Posted 04 November 2017 - 07:47 AM

That's a rev-up edition VQ if you didn't know. Different than a regular DE.
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Posted 04 November 2017 - 07:51 AM

That's a rev-up edition VQ if you didn't know. Different than a regular DE.

 

 

What is difference?  How high does it rev?  


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Posted 04 November 2017 - 08:00 AM

The main differences are that the revup has variable exhaust valve timing, not just intake. So it also uses a different ECU and wiring harness, different intake I believe, and at least some different internals. They were only used in 05/06 as I recall and were somewhat plagued by oil consumption issues (lots of speculation as to why...I'm not sure a definitive reason was ever found). I had someone tell me rings were installed all with the ring gaps lined up, blah blah blah. Who knows. It's the motor I have, and eventually I'll get it running, but for sure you need the correct engine harness and ECU (flashed if you want to run it without the IPDM, BCM, and the stock ignition switch/key/transponder
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Posted 04 November 2017 - 08:00 AM

Revup was like 300hp/tq whereas the regular DE was 287hp.
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Posted 04 November 2017 - 08:09 AM

I bought a digital crane scale off Amazon recently - https://www.amazon.c...viglink20599-20

 

I have been weighing everything I get my hands on. Anyone want to know what a 6L80e trans attached to a Toyota split case weighs? How about an aluminum 5.3 LS?

 

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 08:10 AM

I think there is a trend towards thinner rings in today's cars to reduce friction and increase mileage. What's the oil that's recommended? I see 5w oil on some newer cars.


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Posted 04 November 2017 - 04:53 PM

The main differences are that the revup has variable exhaust valve timing, not just intake. So it also uses a different ECU and wiring harness, different intake I believe, and at least some different internals. They were only used in 05/06 as I recall and were somewhat plagued by oil consumption issues (lots of speculation as to why...I'm not sure a definitive reason was ever found). I had someone tell me rings were installed all with the ring gaps lined up, blah blah blah. Who knows. It's the motor I have, and eventually I'll get it running, but for sure you need the correct engine harness and ECU (flashed if you want to run it without the IPDM, BCM, and the stock ignition switch/key/transponder

 

 

Wait I missed what motor swap you are doing?   I got everything for mine.  It was in a drift car for a bit.  Head gasket blew so I got everything minus trans for 300 flashed ECU and all.  I rode in the car when it was good too.  Beast motor.  The dude actually said it was just as much power as his LS2.  

 

 

 

I bought a digital crane scale off Amazon recently - https://www.amazon.c...viglink20599-20

 

I have been weighing everything I get my hands on. Anyone want to know what a 6L80e trans attached to a Toyota split case weighs? How about an aluminum 5.3 LS?

 

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Wow the LS is a lot heavier then I expected.  I'm sure with all the accessories and exhaust its going to be in the 450 range.  Including the clutch and flywheel.  

 

I Just wanted an idea of what a 510 would drive like with a VQ.  I'm going to measure my SR when I pull off the turbo to do all the gaskets with a KA exhaust set on top.  Since I have a NA SR it will be about the weight I have now.   


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Posted 04 November 2017 - 09:14 PM

Anybody have any thoughts on how different in weight a vq30 vs a vq35? I keep tossing about the idea of an obd1 maxima vq30 with 350z upper and lower oil pan and trans (and various other components).

OR vq35 swap but with obd1 timing components, run on an obd1 maxima ecu.

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 10:24 PM

Wait I missed what motor swap you are doing? I got everything for mine. It was in a drift car for a bit. Head gasket blew so I got everything minus trans for 300 flashed ECU and all. I rode in the car when it was good too. Beast motor. The dude actually said it was just as much power as his LS2.






Wow the LS is a lot heavier then I expected. I'm sure with all the accessories and exhaust its going to be in the 450 range. Including the clutch and flywheel.

I Just wanted an idea of what a 510 would drive like with a VQ. I'm going to measure my SR when I pull off the turbo to do all the gaskets with a KA exhaust set on top. Since I have a NA SR it will be about the weight I have now.



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Posted 04 November 2017 - 10:24 PM

Wait I missed what motor swap you are doing? I got everything for mine. It was in a drift car for a bit. Head gasket blew so I got everything minus trans for 300 flashed ECU and all. I rode in the car when it was good too. Beast motor. The dude actually said it was just as much power as his LS2.






Wow the LS is a lot heavier then I expected. I'm sure with all the accessories and exhaust its going to be in the 450 range. Including the clutch and flywheel.

I Just wanted an idea of what a 510 would drive like with a VQ. I'm going to measure my SR when I pull off the turbo to do all the gaskets with a KA exhaust set on top. Since I have a NA SR it will be about the weight I have now.


450? No. The intake weighs virtually nothing, the exhaust is headers, so nothing. The weight you see there is with the crank pulley and water pump. The accessory drive weighs about 25 pounds, so all in, it's not much over 400 pounds.

At 325 hp stock, I think it's a nice package.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 07:01 AM

Wait I missed what motor swap you are doing? I got everything for mine. It was in a drift car for a bit. Head gasket blew so I got everything minus trans for 300 flashed ECU and all. I rode in the car when it was good too. Beast motor. The dude actually said it was just as much power as his LS2.






Wow the LS is a lot heavier then I expected. I'm sure with all the accessories and exhaust its going to be in the 450 range. Including the clutch and flywheel.

I Just wanted an idea of what a 510 would drive like with a VQ. I'm going to measure my SR when I pull off the turbo to do all the gaskets with a KA exhaust set on top. Since I have a NA SR it will be about the weight I have now.

I have the same motor. VQ35DE revup. Have a zfever flashed ECU and close to finishing the wiring. Will be for my 521 now that I had to sell my 510 a few years ago. I have a 6sp cd09 trans but also the 6sp from an Xterra vq40 which has a much better shifter location (on top, not way extended off the back). I just need to see if it will modify or swap bellhousings.
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Posted 05 November 2017 - 07:47 AM

You wouldn't happen to have a VG30 or a VG33 at your shop to weigh would you? 


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Posted 05 November 2017 - 07:08 PM

450? No. The intake weighs virtually nothing, the exhaust is headers, so nothing. The weight you see there is with the crank pulley and water pump. The accessory drive weighs about 25 pounds, so all in, it's not much over 400 pounds.

At 325 hp stock, I think it's a nice package.

 

 

Soon we will see who's guess is closer :)  I weigh them with clutch, flywheel, starter.  All the goodies. 

 

 

I have the same motor. VQ35DE revup. Have a zfever flashed ECU and close to finishing the wiring. Will be for my 521 now that I had to sell my 510 a few years ago. I have a 6sp cd09 trans but also the 6sp from an Xterra vq40 which has a much better shifter location (on top, not way extended off the back). I just need to see if it will modify or swap bellhousings.

 

 

You should leave the stock drum brakes.  That will make it feel so much faster!  

 

You wouldn't happen to have a VG30 or a VG33 at your shop to weigh would you? 

 

 

Yep!  Hopefully have the weight in a week or two.   :)


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Posted 05 November 2017 - 07:52 PM

What’s the weight on that single cam KA? Your pic was cut off

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:12 PM

What’s the weight on that single cam KA? Your pic was cut off

 

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