California Fires

[paradime]

This. Redwoods bark and their sheer size can easily allow grass fires to pass by them.

 

 

 

 

Actually you are right.... it is their fault for building there, and for the reasons given. Do you build on the side of a volcano? On the San Andreas fault line? Below a dam? Everyone in the world knows about California's dry windy fire season. Happens every year. Bet there's a history of grass fires there every year and the odd home lost to this so it shouldn't come as a surprise. Complacency sets in. Dry and windy seasons. Does this happen to this extent in every other state????? Hopefully people will rethink about building there or have better fire fighting preparedness but most certainly they will now know the risk.. Here's another.... when people move into an area the natural burning and removal of the grass and undergrowth is stopped... it builds up as stored fuel. Besides this, human occupation... motorcycles, 4x4, power lines, camp fires back yard burning increase the risk.       

 

You know Mike, we have members who live in Napa County and in Santa Rosa, why don't you PM them with your pompous judgement about them living there. I have friends who've posted pictures on facebook of what's left of their homes. I don't mean to harm your fragile male ego, I want you to consider what you're saying. It's so fucking easy from your safe home in Canada to generalize, pass judgement, and blame the victims of this catastrophic event, but for the life of me Mike I can't begin to fathom what you think you're contributing here in this thread. How does this effect you, and how are you being informed about what's really happening? For someone who is being directly effected by this RIGHT NOW I can tell you, I don't need an arrogant little man like you sharing your pragmatic passion for judging others. Not the time or the place.

[tr8er]

We live in a planet that went through several extinction level events, every region has it's own set of dangers that conflict with life and at any given time eventually another asteroid or super volcano will wipe out most of life in this planet, nobody is safe from danger, to suggest building there to begin with was a bad idea is idiotic, bad idea would be building at the base of an active volcano.

I'll agree with that. Though statistically, I'd bet a higher percentage of homes are lost to fire in fire prone areas.

[paradime]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/09/these-images-show-the-devastation-caused-by-californias-deadly-wine-country-fires/?utm_term=.8416f76fafae

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/10/us/california-fires-maps-photos.html

[Duke]

I live right on the outskirts of Santa Rosa, about a mile from the now infamous Coffey Park neighborhood.  I was awoken early Monday morning by the sight of flames on a nearby hillside.  Over the next few hours they quickly spread, pushed onward by 60+ mph winds.  Sitting with a bag packed ready to evacuate is one of the most unnerving thing I have done.  I know many people who have lost nearly everything, and it's not over.  After this catastrophe, the area will never be the same.  I know firemen who say that they have never seen anything like this in 40+ years of service.

 

What is going on is unbelievable.  My family has been lucky to have not yet been affected.  My heart goes out to anybody who wasn't as lucky.  I just hope that the fires are contained soon before much more loss is suffered.

[racerx]

So sad...I saw pictures yesterday, before and after.

[240zness]

As far as ecosystem we definitely have too many large and frequent fires. part of the life cycle .. but one every 7-10 not every late summer, multiple areas.. native chaparral doesn't recover , invasive brush takes over. Bad cycle

[240zness]

http://www.californiachaparral.com/fire/bookexcerpts.html

[KoHeartsGPA]

You know Mike, we have members who live in Napa County and in Santa Rosa, why don't you PM them with your pompous judgement about them living there. I have friends who've posted pictures on facebook of what's left of their homes. I don't mean to harm your fragile male ego, I want you to consider what you're saying. It's so fucking easy from your safe home in Canada to generalize, pass judgement, and blame the victims of this catastrophic event, but for the life of me Mike I can't begin to fathom what you think you're contributing here in this thread. How does this effect you, and how are you being informed about what's really happening? For someone who is being directly effected by this RIGHT NOW I can tell you, I don't need an arrogant little man like you sharing your pragmatic passion for judging others. Not the time or the place.

/Me thinks Mike needs another time out

[Duke]

This. Redwoods bark and their sheer size can easily allow grass fires to pass by them.

 

 

 

 

Actually you are right.... it is their fault for building there, and for the reasons given. Do you build on the side of a volcano? On the San Andreas fault line? Below a dam? Everyone in the world knows about California's dry windy fire season. Happens every year. Bet there's a history of grass fires there every year and the odd home lost to this so it shouldn't come as a surprise. Complacency sets in. Dry and windy seasons. Does this happen to this extent in every other state????? Hopefully people will rethink about building there or have better fire fighting preparedness but most certainly they will now know the risk.. Here's another.... when people move into an area the natural burning and removal of the grass and undergrowth is stopped... it builds up as stored fuel. Besides this, human occupation... motorcycles, 4x4, power lines, camp fires back yard burning increase the risk.       

 Mike, you live on Vancover Island.  Prime spot for earthquakes/tsunamis...I think the pot is calling the kettle black.

[paradime]

Mike sees this through his own perspective, as we all do, but there's a time and a place for sharing your criticism. In my experience, Mike is not always the most empathic guy and has shown a lack of social awareness at times, as we all have. What sets Mike apart IMO is his inability to own his mistakes. 

[DaBlist]

Micro aggressions

 

 

 

Hope I didn't just use a SJW term

[datzenmike]

 Mike, you live on Vancover Island.  Prime spot for earthquakes/tsunamis...I think the pot is calling the kettle black.

 

California has earthquakes. I hear of them happening here but have never felt anything in 30 years. It's like a truck driving by they say. Technically the whole west coast is an earthquake zone. On a long enough time line we'll get one, a real one. A tsunami is maybe a little more likely to happen before an earthquake. They can arrive from far away like Japan but would have to travel a long way around to get to the east side. BTW I'm maybe a couple of meters above high tide and maybe two hundred meters from the shore.. 

 

 

Mike sees this through his own perspective, as we all do, but there's a time and a place for sharing your criticism. In my experience, Mike is not always the most empathic guy and has shown a lack of social awareness at times, as we all have. What sets Mike apart IMO is his inability to own his mistakes. 

 

What mistake would that be? You said 'their fault for living there' 'pass judgment' and 'judging others' not me. Disasters have causes. Some are obvious .... afterwards, even during. 

 

 

Here's what I said about it.

 

 

 

Well this is the result of building in these areas. Like building in a earthquake, tsunami, lowland flood or avalanche prone area. How could they not know that history has shown that fires blow through here every year. Why the surprise? This is shitty but totally to be expected.

 

So if this is 'judging others' or 'their fault for living there', well... cry me a river.

 

 Maybe there was unchecked expansion and growth into the wrong or indefensible positions.  Maybe local building laws will change from this.

[tr8er]

CMU and metal studs.

[240zness]

Man , houses and cars are full of flammable stuff.

[datzenmike]

Only commercial airplanes are worse.

[heywier427]

[heywier427]

Of course top of the page, of course...fucking bandwidth.

[wayno]

I can tell you this, an earthquake is not like a truck driving by, the first one for me was the Alaskan earthquake, that almost knocked the book case over in the house I was living in, my mom ran over and held it upright, the dirt was pushed away form the foundation around the house where it looked like the house had raised a few inches, of course it had not raised, the dirt had moved away from the foundation.

The 2nd one was in 1993 centered around 40 miles away, I sleep on a water bed and the water started jumping around like in the exorcist movie just not that bad, it was strong enough that I had to run around that day replacing tiles on customers tile roofs.

There were others but they were not strong enough to really feel much, more like standing next to the train track when one came by hauling coal or oil, a really heavy load, and if your walking you can hardy tell the ground is vibrating, by far the noise is worse.

If you ever have been in a house that shook because a car or tree hit it, that is like an earthquake, except an earthquake keeps shaking for a while.

[thisismatt]

When you run out onto the lawn in front of your house and see waves going across the grass like small swells lapping the shore..weird

[datzenmike]

Then I don't get earthquakes. There's been several reports of 'something' usually heard not felt while sleeping. There was one in the '40s and a chimney fell and some rock slides locally.

[racerx]

Depending on the size of the quake. Maybe several weeks ago, there were 4 little tremors in my area. I still remember the one in 1989. The scary ones are ones that last for a long time. It maybe only several minutes but scary when u lose ur footing.

[510freak]

My heart goes out to all involved,The horror that must be seen and felt by those there has to be surreal.

Prayers to all

 

 

We had large fires here in BC this past summer,I drove through some of the affected areas during some of them,the fear that was around was so sad..

Then I don't get earthquakes. There's been several reports of 'something' usually heard not felt while sleeping. There was one in the '40s and a chimney fell and some rock slides locally.

 

That guy needs to get out more^^................................................................or off the internet more

 

 

 

What Island do you live on,Have felt many here,even one a few weeks back..The most notable(and still fresh in my mind) was in 2011,ground rolled,and shook pretty good.

[paradime]

Actually you are right.... it is their fault for building there, and for the reasons given. 

 

12 hours later

 

What mistake would that be? You said 'their fault for living there' 'pass judgment' and 'judging others' not me. Disasters have causes. Some are obvious .... afterwards, even during. 

 

What mistake? Pay attention Mike

 

Mike sees this through his own perspective, as we all do, but there's a time and a place for sharing your criticism. In my experience, Mike is not always the most empathic guy and has shown a lack of social awareness at times, as we all have. What sets Mike apart IMO is his inability to own his mistakes. 

 

There are fires still raging out of control, homes still being destroyed, bodies still being discovered, and what is Mike contributing in this thread... Criticism. Do you really not see how that might piss some people off, or are you trolling here? Why don't you take a break from telling us what we're doing wrong here in Norther California and stick to Vancouver Island issues for a while. 

[datzenmike]

 You said that it was' their fault for living' there. I said a 'result of living there'. So if this pisses you off, if you think this was somehow a criticism.... well you'll just just have to find it within yourself to not be pissed off. Take a deep breath....

[Fetch]

Spoke with my brother, after veiwing the Cal-Fire map around the Silverado Trail, Soda Canyon area, we think the house we grew up in is gone. Damn, that was a nice house buit in '64. I remember camping out when the house was being buit. From our deck we could see the hi-rises in SF.

It has a pool and my dad set up its own fire protection system with a gas water pump. Sprinklers on the roof and around the house. If the system has been maintained all these years, the owner could have saved the house. Literally, the owner could have started the system, then got out.

Ether way, I hope the owner is safe.

My brother is ok where he is at.