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#21 KELMO

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:08 PM

So, after some consideration and advice from a few folks on here that are way smarter than I am, its time to do this again.  So the following will be the bits to be used (for the first try)
 
A12 flywheel
Long T/O collar
A12 Clutch
Thin Bellhousing plate
 
I am 98% sure I used the short T/O collar which came of the 56A trans.  Whilst stumbling around the shop last night I found these(of course I was
looking for something completely different).
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The one on the left I had labeled 60A 5spd, which I think come out of this particular trans, the one on the right is labeled 79 210 60A 5spd and that car had the intermediate plate so.....
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:20 AM

So, pulled it apart and swapped the short T/O collar for the long T/O collar and still have no engagement.  I can slip it into gear at low RPM's and the wheels do move.  The next step will be to put the intermediate plate in between block and trans.
 
 
If nothing else, I am getting some experience removing and installing a transmission on a 1200
The collar on the far right is the one that was in the vehicle, the one on the far left is in it now.
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 02:31 PM

Is the 60A the small output straight pattern 5 speed? 

 

I just used the 63A dogleg with all the internal gubbins from the donor. I like 'em stout...


It's your car, just don't ruin it.

 

It's also not my money, so i'll suggest the most expensive option. 

 

 


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 06:42 AM

I think the answer is yes.  Uses the same drive shaft as the 56A.  Have a dogleg laying around here but this car is technically for the missus so I don't want to give here a trans that may confuse her will driving barefoot and trying to make me a sammich.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 02:46 PM

 

I think the answer is yes.  Uses the same drive shaft as the 56A.

 

Then yes.   :thumbup:

 

Actually had a look at my buddy's 60A today and it is indeed the straight pattern 5 speed. And is definitely a bit less beefy than the 63A...

 

don't want to give here a trans that may confuse her will driving barefoot and trying to make me a sammich.

 

:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


It's your car, just don't ruin it.

 

It's also not my money, so i'll suggest the most expensive option. 

 

 


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:08 AM

I think adding the plate will pull the trans that much further back. One thing I never checked was the clutch forks, for differences in shape. The other was the pivot point for the fork. I never verified if they sat in the same location, let alone the size of each pivot. I always assumed they were. on one swap I got away with shimming the pivot point with a washer or two when using the a12 flywheel.

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:33 PM

Clutch fork........now when exactly did Iook at that( have no idea) , and do I remeber(no), and were they different(pppffffttt who knows).


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:04 PM

I am convinced that I will turn this into a 2 month project....Trans still will not engage and now I am thinking the trans is no good/built incorrectly.  A few years back, I installed a dog leg 60 series 5 speed on the gray coupe.....and did not swap a single part.  Took the 5 speed out of the junk yard and installed in the coupe, and drove it so there is that.  Anyway, I have a 60 series 5 speed out of a 79 210 (same type that the dog leg came out of) and I know it works, so I am going to install that next (# 4 for those of you that are counting).   In the meantime I have gotten the process fairly well laid out and documented.  Yeah, no pics.....I mean it is a transmission install.

 

1.Disconnect battery

2. Remove starter

3. Remove slave cylinder

4. Remove exhaust down pipe (remove both rubber hangers for the muffler before removing down pipe), push to the drivers side.

5. Support the engine block

6. Drain trans

7. Remove drive shaft

8. Remove speedo cable and harness for rev sw/neutral sw

9. Remove bell housing bolts

10. Support trans ( I am using a floor type trans Jack)

11. Remove rear mount ( I leave this attached to the trans and just unbolt from the body mounting points)

12. Remove shift lever

You should now be able to separate the trans from the block ( see, this IS a 12 step program)

 

REINSTALL

1. With the trans on the jack, stab the trans back to the block

2. Hand tighten the bell housing bolts

3. Install cross member bolts( while the trans is still hanging down a bit, install the shift lever...this gives you a little more space to work)

4. Install drive shaft

5. Tighten all bell housing bolts

6. Install down pipe

7. Install slave cylinder

8. Install dust shield(for bottom half of trans)

9. Install starter

10. Install speedo cable

11. Install harness to rev sw/neutral sw

12. Reconnect battery

 

 

Hope this helps someone do a trans removal......Lord knows I have done it several times over the past weeks.


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:16 PM

A few years back, I installed a dog leg 60 series 5 speed on the gray coupe.....and did not swap a single part.  

 

I was thinking about this since your last post...

 

On my current coupe, we swapped everything from the block back and it worked fine.

 

On one of Tim's coupes we swapped just the trans and nothing else. And it worked fine. 

 

I'd be leaning torwards bad trans too at this point...


It's your car, just don't ruin it.

 

It's also not my money, so i'll suggest the most expensive option. 

 

 


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:41 PM

When it was being rebuilt the guy that was doing most of the work sez " oh, I've never done one of these" (master MB tech who specializes in transmissions), so yeah, Imma try the one I know works and take all the other shit off....intermediate plate for sure and not really sure which t/o collar but I will use one of the taller ones just incase.  There is a car show next Sunday and I would like to take this car but if not, I AM storing a SSS 411 sedan for a friend of mine so that will be my back up car. :thumbup:


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