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#1 mhub91

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:17 AM

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I hope that my research / work helps others in the future.

 

Here's a few facts about swapping in an L20 (lz23 in my case...) into a "B".......

 

- PL510 (1968-'72) crossmember DOES bolt into a B210 without issue, I also used B210 lower control arms w/ the 510 xmember. This works and has no issues.

 

- L series engine with sidedraft carbs WILL fit. Note I have a 2 pc. side draft intake manifold that doesn't go out straight out from the head, but instead has a step-up (if that doesn't make sense, refer to pics in previous posts).

 

- L series exhaust manifold DOES NOT properly fit (kind of...) when using a 510 crossmember. The engine sits too far forward and the manifold down pipe will interfere with the steering arm. I'm using a square port manifold so a combination of a different manifold may work. I also tried to use the short tube header offered on ebay. This may be usable if you cut the collector short. You'll need to play with this a bit.

 

- When using a 510 xmember with factory mounts and rubber isolaters, the engine sits approximately 5" forward from the firewall. This is problematic if plans are to race or autocross the car. The engine has too much over hang on the front struts, potentially causing over steer or weight distribution issues.

       a. No room for a large radiator
       b. no room for clutch fan

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- Must cut out the "radiator hump / mount" from core support. Trimming along the crease of the bend will give ample room.

       a. Use a VW MK1 Rabbit radiator. Must make mounts.

 

- I am using a 71B 5 spd from a 720 pickup. This is what was provided with my swap. So, I used it.

       a. When using the 510 crossmember and stock mounts, the longtail 5 spd is sufficient. but there are necessary modifications.

           1. must make a custom trans crossmember. 

           2. must have a customer length driveline. Datsun drivelines have staked ujoints and are typically not serviceable. I chose to have a custom driveline made with serviceable ujoints.

               Note: when using 510 xmember, stock mounts and a long tail transmission, the driveline will be 42" center-to-center.

               Note: H150 differential flange is the same as a H165. So, use any L series driveline yoke that is L series and/or H150 / H165 rear flange.

 

- If your "B" was originally a 4spd, the clutch slave cylinder is on the driver side. 71B and 63A 5spds have the slave cyl is on the passenger side. You'll need a new clutch line
      - Will a 510 clutch line work(?)

 

- L series alternators using internal regulator -- remove the B's ext. regulator the same way you would a 510. Be sure to remove / disable the choke relay or you will have a voltage draw.

 

- Swap ignition to driver side and remove points setup if so equipped.

 

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Picked up this '76 B210 a while back. Daily drove it for a while and decided the little A14 wasn't enough......

 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:19 AM

Picked up some wheels 14x6.5 ? with soem 185/60/14. I enjoy the look.

 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:21 AM

Cleaned up the little A14 and purchased a new Weber 32/36 from Redline...... So not impressed with the "new" Webers. Performance and aesthetics is there, sure, but reliability with the "new" ones seems poor compared to the old Italian ones i've previously owned. Throttle shaft has excessive play, electric choke is finnicky.... Not a fan. 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:22 AM

The view outside.... 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:24 AM

someone put this on the door. Previous owner? Someone on the interweb translated it to.... "Morning Wood" ? Lol. Unsure if accurate......20160803_204415_zpsjn3g9gfq.jpg



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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:25 AM

Decided to upgrade suspension... ZX struts cut down to fit rear MR2 shocks, 225# springs, adjustable sleeves and waiting on Techno Toy Tuning camber plates.

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:28 AM

Decided to get some cooler, Jap wheels. Had these Hayashi Command 400, 13x6 and 13x6.5 imported. Got them for a very low price due to condition (color, oxidation).

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Not sure if I like the color, but toying with the idea..... Light refinishing, not polished yet.

 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:29 AM

Hours drive to Ocean Shores, here in WA. Catching some rays.... 35mpg the whole way!

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:38 AM

As always, getting complacent...

 

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and beginning to clean the engine bay a bit

 

 

 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:40 AM

Scored a nonturbo CA18DE from CL for a deal.

 

Didn't take pics, but I tore it down, resealed and did a head job. new valve seals and lapped valves, too. port and polished exhaust side.

 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:42 AM

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only real issue.....

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:48 AM

Loving this post!



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Posted 03 April 2017 - 08:41 AM

Could someone please help me to get out of this thread?/


So somehow while i was driving back from Eaglerock swap meet i somehow caused YOU to post this,,,, do really think members on this site are that stupid to believe i caused it??

http://community.rat...un-for-a-while/

Yeah i guess you do,,

 

BTW ,,,, the first person to call you a pussy,,,, ya might wanna check out his ethnicity ,, cuz i don't think it's what you think it is there snowflakeboy

 


..........................I shall call it, narclops.

 

 

 


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 09:37 AM

is it done yet


It's low, loud and has a hood now.

If there isn't anything running all over the place you're doing it wrong!

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 10:18 PM

Nice rims, did they fit the zx struts?

Decided to get some cooler, Jap wheels. Had these Hayashi Command 400, 13x6 and 13x6.5 imported. Got them for a very low price due to condition (color, oxidation).1470368596394_zpsg14ynrjj.jpg
 
 
Not sure if I like the color, but toying with the idea..... Light refinishing, not polished yet.
 
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Posted 04 April 2017 - 05:54 AM

They do clear the ZX brakes.

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 09:12 AM

treated myself to a few cool things.....

 

 

picked up some drilled / slotted rotors for my ZX brake upgrade

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and also got Techno Toy Tuning camber plates for the ZX coilover setup.

 

The image on their website isn't up to date. I was really excited when I received them and found that they offer a small amount of caster adjustment, too.

 

 

(not mine setup, but identical otherwise....)
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Posted 16 April 2017 - 06:28 PM

So..... No more CA. a friend offered to trade his engine for my CA.

So, now, the B is getting an LZ23 with dual Mikunis. I think it could offer more nostalgia fun and offer (maybe?) About the same power.

Pics later.

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 08:11 AM

the B is getting an LZ23 with dual Mikunis. I think it could offer more nostalgia fun and offer (maybe?) About the same power.

 

More torque, but less horsepower. Less RPMs, but more driveable. I would do it.  :thumbup:

 

Infinitely easier swap too. Assuming you already have a 510 crossmember in it (or plan to).


It's your car, just don't ruin it.


This seems like an elaborate ploy to get me to say "I like the D".


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Posted 15 July 2017 - 03:18 PM

wow, this fucking thread is done now that photobuckets went tits up. they want to charge me $399/yr to hose images. No thanks.

 

what a shame.