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#21 q-tip

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 05:17 AM

What about the a strut set up like in a Z? That's a pretty lopro setup with better geometry modification potential.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:31 AM

The strut angle will confine you to a predetermine track width.   Unless you want to cut the body and move the shock towers in.  Maybe it would be narrower but I doubt it.  looking at how the strut on the Z looks.  


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Posted 14 March 2017 - 09:29 AM

Granted, redesigning the entire rear suspension would provide greater potential for improvement, but that put's it out of reach for most 510 owners. The real advantage of an improved bold in trailing arm is the low coat simplicity and accessibility of it. If Jeff's goal is most bang for the buck, least time and skill to install, and greatest marketability, than as a business venture, redesigning the trailing arm is the way to go. 

 

If you're going with ball joints,  can I add one request... built in adjustable camber, toe, and a bit of tracking width?  :D


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

Jag style rear, just do it! 

 

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 09:37 PM

By chance can you guys measure the 3 bearing spacer types for me?  Lets see if we can figure out if there is only 3 and if 3 are required.  


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:22 PM

Bearing spacer? I am brain farting . What bearing spacer? Inlighten me

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:26 PM

Bearing spacer? I am brain farting . What bearing spacer? Inlighten me

Inside the rear hub there is a tube/sleeve over the stub axle, between the inside races of the inner and outer bearings.  There were 3 different size sleeves.  I would assume it's to keep from grenading the inner bearing when the nut is torqued down on the companion flange.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:32 PM

I about lost my shit trying to get that damn crimped nut off there.  :angry:


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:04 PM

The spacers wouldn't matter if you're not going to reuse the machined hub "tube"(?)...


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:34 PM

The spacers wouldn't matter if you're not going to reuse the machined hub "tube"(?)...

 

 

Why wouldn't it matter?  It locates the bearing spacing on the stub axle.  I was under the impression there were also 3 stub axle lengths?  No? 


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:17 PM

No. The different spacer lengths are because the bearing bores are machined in separate operations and they couldn't measure the distance/bearing preload correctly so they used different sized spacer to set the preload. If you use new bearings and good fixtures to machine the bearing housings you can use a single size spacer. That's my opinion anyways.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:35 PM

Yeah, my thinking was that like Josh's.  There's only one part for the stub axle, but 3 for the spacers.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:23 PM

Aww now that makes sense!!  


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:28 PM

Maybe Datzenmike can dig it up......

........I couldn't find him in the search.........

 

I believe it was OC510 or something like that.........he was like 16-17 years old and an amazing fabricator......

.....he was posting here for a minute and disappeared.....

 

 

He made/or had made a bad ass set of rear control arms exactly the way you're describing........

.........think he said it could take a 9 or 10" rim non-flared......I could be off on those numbers though..........

 

 

 

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:52 PM

Yes. Was a fabricator he knew that built them. I believe the geometry was all f'k up if I remember correctly? Seems like it didn't work out. I like the idea though. I could use a little more clearance on the inside and just get a positive offset wheel.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:08 AM

If I recall someone on the realm built some, could have been the same guy.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:38 PM

Maybe Datzenmike can dig it up......
........I couldn't find him in the search.........

I believe it was OC510 or something like that.........he was like 16-17 years old and an amazing fabricator......
.....he was posting here for a minute and disappeared.....


He made/or had made a bad ass set of rear control arms exactly the way you're describing........
.........think he said it could take a 9 or 10" rim non-flared......I could be off on those numbers though..........



Anyone remeber this??

I'm pretty sure this is the one you are thinking of?

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:48 PM

I'm pretty sure this is the one you are thinking of?

http://community.rat...-sr-510/page-17

 

 

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 07:56 PM

I asked Mario of TSR fabrication a while back inquiring custom rear control arms, he said he had some in the works, and I would be one of the first to know! I've trimmed my control arms  enough to fit a 15x9.5 wheel with a 195-45-15 sized tire with rolled fenders. Sorry, i'm into stance 510's. :rofl:



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:40 PM

So here is a sneak peak at what we are building.  Not only does it narrow the rear track but it also allows us to do some camber/toe progression changes.  It's still in it's infancy, we haven't checking loads or figured out how exactly we are going to hook the heim joints to the main beam (Boswell Beam) Or where exactly we are going to place the rods (race rods) don't contact any part of the body under full compression.  Also we are going to have to hook one joint on the crossmember in single shear.  Either way I can't wait to have one in my car!!!! 

 

 

 

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