Jump to content


Photo

74 610 Goon


  • Please log in to reply
69 replies to this topic

#41 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:01 AM

Wheels are always wrong offset for the car they go on. Make them fit the car... not the car fit the wheels. If it don't work, don't do it. Flairs, offset, rolled fenders, stretched tires, mad camber? = homework not done.

 

When done right, it looks SO good!

 

Thanks for your concern, but I have done my research. Although it won't be the same taste as yours, it will still "fit." It's not my S2000. I could care less if it has too much camber and/or tire stretch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 610 owners typically run something along the lines of 15x7 +/-0 with 205/50 tires. At least that's what I could dig up. And also ZX front brakes pull in the front struts iirc. You'll know more than I do of course.

 

People like different things.. some peeps I know like flares, others like rolled fenders. I have a few folks I follow on IG that love insane camber with stretched tires. Just like you like them fitting the car just right. I just enjoy seeing other people’s builds & I respect their builds. That’s what makes this car community awesome! All the ideas & renderings.
Greg

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. I actually have already rolled the fenders and am prepared to pull the fenders if need be, but with the measurements I took I shouldn't.

 

good meeting you bro, thanks for da tranny

 

Likewise! I'll have to swing by one of these days  :thumbup:


  • Redrumls likes this

#42 datzenmike

datzenmike

    KING RAT

  • User Administrator
  • 70,814 posts
  • Location:Vancouver Island
  • Cars:'74 710 sedan, '76 710. prevoius... '78 620, '71 521, '68 510 new '76 B-210

Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:08 AM

Thanks for your concern, but I have done my research. Although it won't be the same taste as yours, it will still "fit." It's not my S2000. I could care less if it has too much camber and/or tire stretch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 610 owners typically run something along the lines of 15x7 +/-0 with 205/50 tires. At least that's what I could dig up. And also ZX front brakes pull in the front struts iirc. You'll know more than I do of course.

 

 

 

Zx struts can't help the rear wheels. The front is somewhat adjustable for removing excess camber but the rear IRS needs the cross member slotted if lowering. It's nothing to do with taste. If you ignore camber.... good luck with your tire wear and poor handling.


Posted Image

#43 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 26 January 2018 - 01:12 AM

I bought a tire just to test fit. It was $40 so I figured even if I didn't like the way it stretched, I wouldn't take a total loss but I'm very happy with the amount of stretch. It's aggressive, but looks great imo. I can't wait for the tire to debead on me.  B)  It doesn't poke out like the pictures perceive. Now just time to order the other 3 tires, my blocks and the coilover conversion kit for the front!

 

 

163wpg.jpg

 

 

 

rw6kc4.jpg



#44 datzenmike

datzenmike

    KING RAT

  • User Administrator
  • 70,814 posts
  • Location:Vancouver Island
  • Cars:'74 710 sedan, '76 710. prevoius... '78 620, '71 521, '68 510 new '76 B-210

Posted 26 January 2018 - 06:05 AM

Tire's going to rub when lowered or hitting bumps, you can see that. Rim is way too offset to work properly.


Posted Image

#45 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 26 January 2018 - 10:59 AM

Thanks Mike. The WHEEL has too low of an offset but I don’t care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’ll go IRS eventually.

Mini update: I’m selling my S13. Decided it’s not a car I want to invest money into anymore. I’m keeping my SR20DET and I’ll throw it in this car by summer.

#46 datzenmike

datzenmike

    KING RAT

  • User Administrator
  • 70,814 posts
  • Location:Vancouver Island
  • Cars:'74 710 sedan, '76 710. prevoius... '78 620, '71 521, '68 510 new '76 B-210

Posted 26 January 2018 - 12:46 PM

Just get the correct wheel rim and drive it. There's no advantage to IRS and certainly not worth the bother.


Posted Image

#47 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 27 January 2018 - 01:35 AM

2r40w3o.jpg

 

My wheels are the correct offset that I wanted to run on my grandma's wagon. Sorry it doesn't appeal to you?


  • hobospyder and Redrumls like this

#48 konig209

konig209

    Honduh Carlos 1

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,770 posts
  • Location:modesto ca
  • Cars:72 datsun 521

Posted 27 January 2018 - 01:45 AM

Just get the correct wheel rim and drive it. There's no advantage to IRS and certainly not worth the bother.


It'll fit.
Irs will deff help.

[url=https://flic.kr/p/23M1Cf7]39890770322_a6ea435eeb_b.jpg

[url=https://flic.kr/p/23M1C3o]39890769642_befaa47bf9_b.jpg
  • Redrumls likes this

#49 hobospyder

hobospyder

    El Matador

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,420 posts
  • Location:sedro woolley, wa
  • Cars:73 620, 77 620kc, 02 300m, 96 s10

Posted 27 January 2018 - 06:23 AM

2r40w3o.jpg

My wheels are the correct offset that I wanted to run on my grandma's wagon. Sorry it doesn't appeal to you?

I'm not a fan of stretched wheels but let's see you get it done, get that irs in there and rock this fucking car, screw what anybody but you thinks about how you should build it it's yours now.
  • Redrumls likes this

Lol you really think he would tell anyone, ahh yes Mr. Peterson I was taken a piss and everything got dark like there was an eclipse, when I look back to see what was making the shade when WHAM!! Cock hit me right in the face. I don't know whose it was but we could match up the bruise.

 

 

 

you assume i have any fucks

 

 

 

 

 


#50 hobospyder

hobospyder

    El Matador

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,420 posts
  • Location:sedro woolley, wa
  • Cars:73 620, 77 620kc, 02 300m, 96 s10

Posted 27 January 2018 - 06:24 AM

Also, good reference

Lol you really think he would tell anyone, ahh yes Mr. Peterson I was taken a piss and everything got dark like there was an eclipse, when I look back to see what was making the shade when WHAM!! Cock hit me right in the face. I don't know whose it was but we could match up the bruise.

 

 

 

you assume i have any fucks

 

 

 

 

 


#51 datzenmike

datzenmike

    KING RAT

  • User Administrator
  • 70,814 posts
  • Location:Vancouver Island
  • Cars:'74 710 sedan, '76 710. prevoius... '78 620, '71 521, '68 510 new '76 B-210

Posted 27 January 2018 - 07:33 AM

2r40w3o.jpg

 

My wheels are the correct offset that I wanted to run on my grandma's wagon. Sorry it doesn't appeal to you?

 

When the wheel fit's like this it not the correct offset.

 

163wpg.jpg

 

 

It'll fit.
Irs will deff help.

[url=https://flic.kr/p/23M1Cf7]39890770322_a6ea435eeb_b.jpg

[url=https://flic.kr/p/23M1C3o]39890769642_befaa47bf9_b.jpg

 

Mad camber is not a fix for poor rim choice. Two wrongs do not make one right. Good luck with the tire wear, increased toe in and the poor handling. Stick with the solid axle and run flairs.


Posted Image

#52 konig209

konig209

    Honduh Carlos 1

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,770 posts
  • Location:modesto ca
  • Cars:72 datsun 521

Posted 27 January 2018 - 08:29 AM

When the wheel fit's like this it not the correct offset.

163wpg.jpg



Mad camber is not a fix for poor rim choice. Two wrongs do not make one right. Good luck with the tire wear, increased toe in and the poor handling. Stick with the solid axle and run flairs.


Lol the irs wagon has been driven thousand of miles. No issues. No tire wear. If youre good enough there are many ways to correct toe. Camber doesnt kill tires.

#53 hobospyder

hobospyder

    El Matador

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,420 posts
  • Location:sedro woolley, wa
  • Cars:73 620, 77 620kc, 02 300m, 96 s10

Posted 27 January 2018 - 09:43 AM

When the wheel fit's like this it not the correct offset.

I don't think the owner cares mike. It's the owners car, let him make it what he wants and quit telling him how to do it, now if it were your car, do what you want that's all fine and dandy ain't nobody gonna bitch about it.

Lol you really think he would tell anyone, ahh yes Mr. Peterson I was taken a piss and everything got dark like there was an eclipse, when I look back to see what was making the shade when WHAM!! Cock hit me right in the face. I don't know whose it was but we could match up the bruise.

 

 

 

you assume i have any fucks

 

 

 

 

 


#54 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:10 AM

I don't think the owner cares mike. It's the owners car, let him make it what he wants and quit telling him how to do it, now if it were your car, do what you want that's all fine and dandy ain't nobody gonna bitch about it.


Winner winner chicken dinner!


I thought it was obvious that I don’t mind criticism or others opinions for that matter.
  • hobospyder likes this

#55 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:12 AM

a3e6mf.jpg

God I love this photo!
  • Redrumls likes this

#56 datzenmike

datzenmike

    KING RAT

  • User Administrator
  • 70,814 posts
  • Location:Vancouver Island
  • Cars:'74 710 sedan, '76 710. prevoius... '78 620, '71 521, '68 510 new '76 B-210

Posted 27 January 2018 - 02:11 PM

Lol the irs wagon has been driven thousand of miles. No issues. No tire wear. If youre good enough there are many ways to correct toe. Camber doesnt kill tires.


No one, least of all me, believes this. The owner has a vested interest in denying it's a very bad idea. Yeah camber does wear tires or all cars would have it and not worry about adjusting it out.

 

 

 

 


I don't think the owner cares mike. It's the owners car, let him make it what he wants and quit telling him how to do it, now if it were your car, do what you want that's all fine and dandy ain't nobody gonna bitch about it.

 

Which would be fine if just tire wear. It also affects handling and stopping so it is a safety issue the owner has no clue of. If it were my car, simply put, I would do it right if going to IRS.


  • xdreaming likes this
Posted Image

#57 konig209

konig209

    Honduh Carlos 1

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,770 posts
  • Location:modesto ca
  • Cars:72 datsun 521

Posted 27 January 2018 - 02:17 PM

No one, least of all me, believes this. The owner has a vested interest in denying it's a very bad idea. Yeah camber does wear tires or all cars would have it and not worry about adjusting it out.


I have alot of camber on my truck up front. Ran the same tires for 2.5 years daily driven. Driven to oregon and everywhere i went. Yeah the tire wore down only on half of it. But since my toe was correct the tire ran down jist as if it was nice and flat on the road and i still have them in my garage in good conditions to top it off it was a 205 50 on a 15x11 lol

#58 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 28 January 2018 - 05:20 PM

sorry Mike, but you’re wrong. Negative camber, proper toe, and proper caster has positive effects on handling. Maybe YOU should look into what auto cross and track guys run as far as their alignments go. I know my s2000 handles like trash with little/no camber. -2.5 of camber is the magic number with those cars. And 1/8” toe in. At least for when I auto cross.

And why would you bring up handling? This car isn’t a racecar. It’s my grandma station Wagon that is only going to get driven around town.

#59 xdreaming

xdreaming

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 42 posts
  • Location:Modesto
  • Cars:Honda S2000, Datsun 610 Wagon

Posted 28 January 2018 - 05:23 PM

Hate me/my build, but I’m going to spend my money how I want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Redrumls likes this

#60 datzenmike

datzenmike

    KING RAT

  • User Administrator
  • 70,814 posts
  • Location:Vancouver Island
  • Cars:'74 710 sedan, '76 710. prevoius... '78 620, '71 521, '68 510 new '76 B-210

Posted 28 January 2018 - 06:03 PM

Ultimately you should do as you please. I don't hate you or your ride. The comments were for the pictured white goon with the crazy 15 degree camber.

 

Some tweaks to camber, toe and caster can improve handling depending on what you want and can live with. You can't even see 2.5 degrees on a rim. It's like  1/8" in at the top


Posted Image