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Posted 05 February 2017 - 02:19 PM

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 03:15 PM

How happy are you that you didn't let it go?!
I keep looking but only found two one red and one blue
I like this color a lot

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 03:17 PM

Shoveled it out from the snow, took it on a drive, couldn't get it out of high gear, it's the 3 speed bw35. couldn't climb hills worth a damn must have been sitting too long. time for a flush? wouldn't kick down either. 

 

 

 

 

Sounds like the throttle linkage shift cable isn't functioning correctly. Make sure it is hooked up at the linkage and cycles with the throttle. 


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Whenever I think that I'm out of my mind for putting this much time and money into an old Datsun, all I have to do is look some of your threads to know that I'm not nearly as whack as you are.

You're going to skin a few knuckles, stand up too fast and bump your head, hunt around the floor for the nuts and bolts you dropped, invent a few new cuss words and when you're finished you'll say "That wasn't so hard after all!"


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 04:39 PM

How happy are you that you didn't let it go?!
I keep looking but only found two one red and one blue
I like this color a lot

I was just thinking about that today.. Figuring someone really missed out on an awesome deal as I wont list the car again for sale in the foreseeable future. was in a hard spot at the time. 

 

Sounds like the throttle linkage shift cable isn't functioning correctly. Make sure it is hooked up at the linkage and cycles with the throttle. 

There are many tiny air bubbles on the transmission dip stick, I imagine I might have cavitated the transmission? I believe the cable is working, got it to cycle a couple gears today but no power up any incline. trans fluid is red and not burnt. Will have to figure this out soon.  


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 04:47 PM

Maybe its time for a new filter and pan gasket, which I have in a box. I imagine the fluid must have been too cold when I went to drive it and the filter sucks. 


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 06:27 PM

A friend of mine drains all fluids during winter on his old Porsche , probably why.

Ya man definitely a keeper

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 06:45 PM

Sounds like the throttle linkage shift cable isn't functioning correctly. Make sure it is hooked up at the linkage and cycles with the throttle. 

 

Also a possibility is that a previous owner lubricated the downshift cable.  A definite no-no!  If so, cold weather would thicken up the lube and slow down the shift response.

 

If worst comes to worst, I have posted not just your filter and gasket part numbers but a complete Borg Warner M35 rebuild kit still available for sale on the NICO site.



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Posted 06 February 2017 - 07:04 AM

Also a possibility is that a previous owner lubricated the downshift cable.  A definite no-no!  If so, cold weather would thicken up the lube and slow down the shift response.

 

If worst comes to worst, I have posted not just your filter and gasket part numbers but a complete Borg Warner M35 rebuild kit still available for sale on the NICO 

When I manually pull on the cable there is no restriction, I'll check to see if it looks lubricated, I should most likely drop the trans pan anyhow to see how it looks inside, I have the gasket and filter already, just waiting on the snow to melt more. The full rebuild kit sounds like something I should buy.


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 07:20 AM

You may just be low on fluid. 


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 07:30 AM

You may just be low on fluid. 

I might be, I'm wondering because I know the pump is sucking air, there are tiny air bubbles in the fluid. The only thing that had me puzzled is that It's right below the full mark but who knows how accurate that is? I'll add a bottle of atf before I pull the pan to see if that makes a difference. 


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 10:34 AM

I might be, I'm wondering because I know the pump is sucking air, there are tiny air bubbles in the fluid. The only thing that had me puzzled is that It's right below the full mark but who knows how accurate that is? I'll add a bottle of atf before I pull the pan to see if that makes a difference. 

 

Are you checking the fluid level on a running warmed up transmission in neutral on level ground?  That's the standard method for checking transmission fluid level.



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Posted 06 February 2017 - 10:35 AM

Make sure you check it according to the manual. I believe it has to be running and warmed up.


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 05:34 PM

Have been checking while warmed up, running and on level ground in Park. I'm going to pour lucas trans medicine in it and see if that changes anything. Otherwise will drop pan and report back when I have good or bad news.

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 05:42 PM

put a quart of atf in the transmission, seems like that fixed it. wonder if dipstick is original. Will still pull trans and service it.


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 11:27 PM

The original transmission fluid back in 1967 was "AQATF type A" which usually means use modern like Mercon transmission fluid as a substitute.  Ford transmissions used "AQATF type F".  Hot rodders would occasionally substitute Ford fluid in type A transmissions [like Powerglide] for quicker shift points.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 05:20 PM

Thanks Mike for the valuable info.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 05:42 PM

Hey do you guys happen to know the major diff
Between a 66 and a 67 SSS?

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 05:51 PM

Badgeing as far as I can tell, '66 may not be a SSS but will still be a RL411 if it has the Vin and the 1600 roadster motor. 


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 06:01 PM

I thought it wasn't sss however found a ad which has both featured and was trying to find more info on both models
It's same motor same HP as far as I can tel

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 06:56 PM

I thought it wasn't sss however found a ad which has both featured and was trying to find more info on both models
It's same motor same HP as far as I can tel

 

Technically, all RL411 export models [there were JDM models sent to Okinawa] were 1967 models.  Now it gets sticky.  Very early production models might have been built and tested before the 1967 pollution standards were approved.  They would be tested and certified to 1966 requirements.  Dealer confusion sets in and they may have been described as 1966 models on the sales paperwork to avoid confusion at the pollution control test station. Some late sales were sold as 1968 models.  I bought my 1967 RL411 in March of 1968, and had to argue with the DMV that date of first sale was NOT the model year.  Badgeing with the "SSS" vs "1600" badges is a problem.  I personally believe with absolutely no documented justification that factory "SSS" badges went with the optional [race ready] rear end, and that standard non "SSS" badged RL411s had the standard ratio rear ends. Or dealer greed might have ordered SSS badges , installed them and pocketed the upgrade cash.  More confusion!  Since the basic idea of the RL411 was to qualify the 411 series for Production Sedan Road Racing , all race specific race modification parts had the be available over the counter at all dealer parts counters.  So!  Any RL411 version was easily convertible to the road race version.