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#1 Japrnoo

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Posted 13 November 2016 - 10:21 PM

Hi guys.

 

I've been dreaming about an old Japanese car with carbs for a long time, last winter i had a chance to buy a 4 door hakosuka but lost it. So when this car came in for sale i had to get it.

 

It's a 1970 PL510 1600 Deluxe. It has (for now) the SSS dual SU carbs and leather seats from the SSS model (according to the guy who sold it).

 

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Drove to buy it with Tesla Model S, jumping 46 years back in automobile history was kinda funny.

 

I had plans ready for the car atleast a year before i even bought it. Only thing that has changed is the color of the car. I was planning about to paint it with the same silver used in Hakosukas but now i'm planning to paint it back to the original white.

 

I'm going to keep the L16 engine and fully rebuild it. It's going to get two weber 40dcoe, new intake ofc and all new exthaust (manifold and 2" pipe with one muffler)

also looking for 5 speed transmission. I'm huge fan of OS Giken but i'm not sure is it worth it to pay 500euros from the clutch kit when you can get the basic clutch kit for 50euros next door.

 

I've allready stripped all the interior off, just got the steering wheel and pedals there for now. I'm going to paint the the interior with oem white again and its going to have two red Bride Zeta III seats and safetydevices roll cage.Some race steering wheel with quick rack also, got two options for that. Time will show witch one i buy. New VDO speed,rpm,gas,oilpressure and heat meters are going in on the oem dash.

 

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The engine bay is going to be cleaned, i'm moving battery to the trunk, hide windshield washer somewhere and going to make the engine bay as clean ass possible.

(Previous owner told me that the upper waterpipe coming from the radiotor blew up last summer, thats why the engine bay is all red)

 

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From the trunk im going to cut the spare tire space off and weld a piece of straight metal on it. Theres also going be a safety tank. (Hopefully i can fit it to the original space)

 

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For the suspension the plans are to get coilovers for the front (local rallyshop sells Bilstein kits that can be modifyed to fit the 510) and shorter spring with adjustable height and bilstein shock for the rear. All the suspension parts are going to be sandblasted and powder coated again. Im going to buy superpro poly bush kit for it too. The coilovers will have camber adjustment so i'm not sure yet that will i need adjustable lower control arms, time will show that. For the brakes im going to get a willwood kit for the front and if i can find a adapter for willwood kit to rear i'm also going to put disc brakes on the rear. Time will show that too. Im going to get custom made wheels for this, also know which ones but that im going to keep a secret till they arrive. I'm planning to buy 14x7 for the front and 14x7,5 or 14x8 for the rear. Just gotta do some measurements to get the perfect ETs

 

Yeah, there's some of the plans. Im going to keep the body as original as possible. Looking for the original chrome bumpers, these ones are from some Toyota. Then i need tha oem fender mirrors and BRE front air dam. I'm working with this project every week at my carage and for the next weekend my girl is going to be out of town for four days so that means four long days at the carage, hopefully the engine,transmission and most of the suspension parts are out by then so i can start to weld those few rust spots that i've found. 

 



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Posted 13 November 2016 - 11:44 PM

Beautiful! !

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Posted 14 November 2016 - 01:58 AM

22and with a Tesla? WTF? Who does that?

I'll be watching this.

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Posted 14 November 2016 - 02:19 AM

22and with a Tesla? WTF? Who does that?

I'll be watching this.

It's not mine hahah, got 16 years old Audi as a daily.



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Posted 14 November 2016 - 07:46 AM

I love it!!!!!!!!

 

 

olddatsuns.com read the tech section


Throw on some Weber sidedrafts, Rising Sun hood.... call it good

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Posted 20 November 2016 - 11:12 AM

Hello.

 

15 hours in the garage this weekend and got something done.

 

Got all the suspension parts out, engine and transmission too. All i have left is the steering axle, pedals and some brake lines. 

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I'm very happy that the floor are in good condition. Saves a lot of time in rust work so i can paint the interior sooner and start to work on the interior.

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This is the only bad spot in the interior.

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And here's the source of power. I'm hoping to get something between 125-140hp out of it, does someone have knowledge what it might be with dual weber 40, and 2" exhaust?

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Tips are allways welcome, thank you banzai510 for the link. I've been a fan of old Datsuns for a long time but this is my first Datsun project so much of the L engine stuff is new to me.

Also got something done in the garage. Build new shelf for the 510 parts, now got more space to storage those new parts that will start arriving soon. I was looking for red steering wheel for a while but new im pretty sure that it's going to be black Momo Protipo.



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Posted 21 November 2016 - 06:30 AM

You want a Roadster 2000 clutch kit 200mm. with the 650KG pressure plate.  the stock 510 200mm is 350kg

 

 

car looked good as is I would have just lowered it but some nice wheels and start enjoying/driving  it


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Posted 27 November 2016 - 12:24 AM

You want a Roadster 2000 clutch kit 200mm. with the 650KG pressure plate.  the stock 510 200mm is 350kg

 

 

car looked good as is I would have just lowered it but some nice wheels and start enjoying/driving  it

 

I might go with the OS Giken clutch & flywheel setup, but thanks for the info. Now I have a plan B too.

 

Forgot to take the camera to garage this weekend but there's not much to show, got rest of the parts out from the body so now its totally empty.

Next thing Im going to do is cut the spare tire holder off from the trunk and place a piece of straight metal there.Then I will drill the original battery holder and windshield

washer fluid tank holder off from the engine bay. I will put the battery to trunk or behind passenger seat. (Shorter wiring) for the windshield washer tank I still have no idea haha.



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Posted 29 January 2017 - 12:01 AM

Hi guys, it's been a while.
 
I've had a lot of work so -> not so much time at the garage -> not so much stuff done.
 
But here's a little update.
 
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My friend bought these SSR wheels for hes Toyota Cressida project, so he test fitted how those would like in Datsun when its ready. Cool, but im still gonna go with the Work wheels.
 
First thing was that i fixed the rust spot under the rear seat, its not perfect but its fine for me. It's been four years since I welded last time.
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Now i have been fixing spots at the inner side of the rocker panel, seems like that's always the weak spot, at least in 3 my last projects those needed to be welded.
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And for the last, found used intake for dual carbs for 120euros. I think that it's good price, if you compare it to that the local carb store is asking 320euros for the same intake.

 

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That's it for now. Next time i post i hope that i got the inner rocker panel ready and the trunk too so i can start to sand the interior for painting.



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Posted 29 January 2017 - 06:58 AM

Wheels look good tucked up in there. Great progress on the body work. 



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Posted 01 February 2017 - 06:38 PM

looking good keep it up



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:36 PM

Keeping my eyes on this one. Looking good so far



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 09:57 AM

Hi guys.

 

It's been a month since last post, i have been at the garage like once a week so not much happened with the car, again.. (really need to get more time to work with this car if im going to drive it on summer 2018..)

I have made some plans for the brakes, i think that this is the final recipe.

 

-OEM brake booster

-Volvo 240 mastercylinder

-Volvo 240 brake calipers (front and rear)

-HEL performance brake lines

-EBC yellowstuff pads

-256mm discs

+ Adapter to fit volvo mastercylinder to datsun brake booster.

 

Why Volvo calipers? Front calipers are 4 pot, rear 2 pot, you cant fit them into 14" wheel and they are chep + you can get them from the local parts store.

 

Also got a tip that there might be a coilover set for the 510 for sale, called the guy and he told me story that he had bought this set for his datsun 510 but it was so rusty that the project never got ready.

So the fronts are made from Toyota AE86 shocks + Nissan 200sx camber plates welded to 510 hubs. Rears are made from the various BC racing parts.

 

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And today i got some welding done finally. only one spot to fix inside the car left + i have to cut of the spare tire holder from the trunk.

 

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Thanks for the comments, i try to post more often (and build the car more often!)

 



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Posted 26 February 2017 - 01:01 PM

You should sell me that fuel rail sitting on your motor.  :poke:


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Posted 27 February 2017 - 05:08 AM

Nice

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:21 AM

Thanks for the comments, dont have much time to spend with the Datsun because of work and other issues but i do my best to get it ready in time! (13 months to go)

Got something done today.
Drilled old tank holders away and welded the holes, also did some reinforcement welds on the rear shock towers.

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Yeah i have cutted a huge hole in middle of the trunk floor, already have a new piece of metal ready for that. Just waiting for a payday (nextweek) so i can order
new tank and make new trunk floor fit just right for the new tank. It's going to be 40 liter polished aluminium safetytank from Turboworks.

Also little update for the brakes. I figured out that Volvo rear calipers don't have handbrake so had to find a new solution to rear so i bought:
-S13 rear calipers with EBC redstuff pads,S13 oem discs,S13 handbrake wires and S13 rear dustshields for 70euros.
All the stuff is almost new or like new so got great deal in there.
Im also going to buy S13 handbrake and delete the old handbrake from the dashboard.

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Next up my friend is going to make me bolt on brackets for the calipers. Anyone has blueprints for the brackets that they could send to me? It would be easier to me (and the friend who makes the brackets) if i could get the blueprints from someone.

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 04:15 AM

Nice build so far, love the 510's, I think my 521s was that same color originally.... so did you get the motor built yet?... are you still deciding?...
just curious on your hp hopes.... your hopes seem a little high for at the wheel numbers but possible for at the crank....
I saw one guy post 104 at the wheels which means approximately 130 at the crank....
I've build my motor a bit and I'm showing 90 at the wheels, 105 at the crank... and I haven't even tuned it... hoping for another 10hp when finished...
Here's a couple charts....

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 04:40 AM

FYI I love that you wanna keep and mod the L16, we are a select few... I love matching numbers for some reason that's why I chose to build my L16 over a motor swap... I'm surprised someone hasn't told you to swap the motor yet... seems to be the trend. I will say getting all the extra power out of an l16 takes time and money but it is possible....

So do you not like SU carbs? I hear you can make good power with them.. just wondering... I have a single weber 40dcoe on my engine, really nice carb, but I never even held and SU, nevermind tuning one....

Anyhow you mentioned some sss stuff, what head is on the motor?... that's gonna be the biggest key to making power with the L16...
Pm if you'd like more details or for any extra info I learned while building my motor. Or I can respond here but I didnt wanna clutter your build post talking about my stuff....
Keep up the good work...

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:39 PM

FYI I love that you wanna keep and mod the L16, we are a select few... I love matching numbers for some reason that's why I chose to build my L16 over a motor swap... I'm surprised someone hasn't told you to swap the motor yet... seems to be the trend. I will say getting all the extra power out of an l16 takes time and money but it is possible....

So do you not like SU carbs? I hear you can make good power with them.. just wondering... I have a single weber 40dcoe on my engine, really nice carb, but I never even held and SU, nevermind tuning one....

Anyhow you mentioned some sss stuff, what head is on the motor?... that's gonna be the biggest key to making power with the L16...
Pm if you'd like more details or for any extra info I learned while building my motor. Or I can respond here but I didnt wanna clutter your build post talking about my stuff....
Keep up the good work...

 

Hi!  

 

I have kept my focus on the body and the suspension for now because there is still lots to do with them but i will get to the engine finally when i get the bodywork done (summer).

My first love to old japanese cars started when i saw a hakosuka with triple webers on the internet and i was damn i gotta get something like that. All my friends have told me that "You should get ca18det or SR20DE" but for this car i really wanted to keep the L16 and see how much i can get out of it. This car is going to be a street legal historic trackday car so i dont need to get 200hp out of it because im only going to compete with myself.

 

I think that there's a stock L16 head on the car, only SSS mods that the car had we're the seats and dual SU's.

 

I met a Finnish Datsun enthuast who has like six 510's and he has rallycar with L18 and 175hp from crank, he told me that with the right mods you can get like 160hp from L16. 

 

At the moment my plans with the L16 are:

Complete rebuild, with new head, dual weber 40's, 2" stainless steel exthaust (manifold is going to be normal steel)



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Posted 01 April 2017 - 02:06 AM

Definitely possible, sounds like you have the right guy to help you out. My only advise would be talk to him about your total engine build before buying things.. i made a couple mistakes which in the end where to my benefit for power but took a bit of time to clearance everything to make things fit....