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#141 DaBlist

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 02:59 PM



 

 

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 03:34 AM

Anyone running 15x8 all around? PicS.?

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 04:48 AM

Rim size doesn't matter but for looks. Nine inch is possible with lots of work, 8 should be less of a problem.


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Posted 06 June 2017 - 10:26 AM

Post #21 sums up form over function. In addition to the ones mentioned I don't agree with shaving door handles either or side marker lights. If you are in an accident/fire how is a passer by expected to know how to open your door and get you out ? Those side marker lights are there so that other cars can see you even if you are parked in the dark. Removing them is illegal and as idiotic as not wearing seat belts. Welded differentials, there's another less visible form at the expense of function. The list goes on and is an affront to common sense.   

 

Is a passer by expected to know how to deal with locked doors? Is it therefore unsafe to drive with locked doors? Would a passer by just give up if they can't find a door handle that opens the door?

 

Though I usually keep door handles, I more often shave the key holes. 



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Posted 06 June 2017 - 11:17 AM

I would just smash the window in.


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Posted 13 June 2017 - 09:20 AM



Anyone running 15x8 all around? PicS.?

 

I run 15X8 rims all round with 7" tires front and 8" rear.

 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:46 AM

http://www.tyrerevie...-inch-tyres.htm

 

 

"Is a 17" wheel more comfortable than a 18" wheel? Does a 19" wheel feel more sporty than its smaller brother? As always with tyres, the answer is yes, no and maybe"

 

 

 

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:59 AM

Thanks for posting this CSL, Interesting study all be it a small test sample of one brand and one tire. Not all tires and sidewalls are made alike though. Not to mention optimizing tire pressure, suspension set up (shock damping, spring rate, roll characteristics), and alignment (toe camber caster) for a specific tire can have a profound effect. Often a study like this with so many uncontrolled variables does more to confuse than it does to inform. For the average Joe however, chances are their choice is driven more by esthetic than real performance. They'll likely do nothing more than slap on a new set of shoes and never make another adjustment, so this study is exactly what they think they need to know to make the "right" decision. In the end, if you don't know what you want it becomes a never ending list of subjective trade offs. That list can be shortened by knowing what you want, and scientifically eliminating what doesn't work. The "best wheel size" is not the same for a young guy vs. an old guy, or as it is for a daily drive, as it is for a weekend solo car, as it is for an all out competition car. Knowing what you want is 80% of the battle. 


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 09:54 PM

What the hell, this is RE-god-damn-diculous.  

 

 

Of all the pictures I've collected over the past 17 years of Bosozoku, and Shakotan cars, can't say I've ever seen a 510 done that way.

If your just going for the cartoon car look, why don't you just stick to a chevy corsica ?

Sell the 510 to someone who would appreciate it.

Bosozoku is a statement, form of expression, and in japan an alternative lifestyle of sorts, and by that definition it is extremely broad....  youve never seen a 510 lowered with flares and wide low offset rims?  This is too perfect, look at the post below this one. lol

 

The Japanese have too much respect for the 510.  B)

 

It's mostly done to "disposable" cars like Cressidas and other boxy sedans from the 80s...

 

 

Well, "Bosozoku" anyway. Shakotan just means " really low car". You will see 510s done that way...   ^_^

 

 

derpa derpa derp.  The Japanese drift hakosukas, kenmeris, and authentic bluebirds, all being unanimously considered far more collectible than a USDM 510.  You dont think a 510 is disposable among that list of cars?!?!?!  Please tell me you realize you posted a car the fits the exact description of what direction I will be going, with an undertone of acceptance to boot......   youre too much man. lol

 

 

Modern cars.

 

They all look like electric razors.

what do you know, just as I called out early on, you in fact DONT want form over function, you just want me and everyone else apparently, to conform to your definition of it in regards to datsuns.

 

Someone is getting testy 😎
I mean come on, trying to justify function on outdated vehicles is a little ridiculous lol

RIGHT! no A/C, power anything, insulation, rubber seals.... the list goes on, thats not function by todays standards no matter how distorted ones views may be

 

Purist yes. Where possible the body should remain untouched. as the original styling cannot be improved on. The vast majority of people have terrible taste in things like rims and other add on junk. Less... is more.

 

My comments on form were directed to where it's carried too far and detrimentally impairs function. Such as, but not limited to, excessive lowering or camber for the sake of camber, stretched tires and so on....  

you really like to speak for the majority, im sure in 100 years our society is going to revere your impeccable taste and reserved palate for car modification because everyone elses is SOOO terrible.... get over yourself lol.  You assumed I would be adding camber for no reason or dragging the frame on the ground when I specifically said I was building a driver....

 

Style is ok, that just usually displays bad taste. Lowering can be an advantage, but only if done right and only if not extreme. Welded diffs introduce under and over steer unpredictably on poor traction surfaces. Same with camber mobiles. The cars driving characteristics are changed, not for the best, only for looks. That kind of style needs pointing out for the dangers the owner may not even be aware of in his rush to look cool. 

have you ever actually daily driven or raced with a car using a welded diff?  The way you talk about it suggest not, dont get me wrong, you know a lot buddy, but I would stick to talking about what you know.  fuck me though right?  Again, not once have I ever stated I was going to run camber just for the hell of it.

 

So I'm an idiot for shaving my side makers, that's good to know. Speaking in absolutes about subjective things like taste is myopic egocentricity aka arrogance. In all reality, even modifying a cars performance "correctly" is technically illegal and dangerous, and I'm 100% certain more people have been injured as a result of that than those who've removed their side markers... So why do we do idiotic shit like this? Because when you spend a silly amount of money on a silly, trivial thing that will help you not one jot, you are demonstrating that you have a soul and a heart and that you are the sort of person who has no time for Which? magazine. – Jeremy Clarkson via Okayfine on the Realm.

THIS!

 

You're such a rebel, rules and laws don't apply. Why not shave the seat belts too? Take your 510 out for a drive and (even wearing seat belts) I bet that in the event of an accident, you are in the most un-survivable car on the road. There's a lot of risk driving these old cars.

if not agreeing with your seemingly narrow views on car modification is rebellious, than im the biggest rebel of them all

 

Seems this post has gone off on yet another awesome tangent. Nice to see at least some of you guys tried to help this guy out with some info, I'll try to do the same.

 

I run Wat's with a slight stagger 14x7 +3 on the front and 14x7.5 -3.5 on the rear on 185 55's. I run 510 T3 coilovers on the front which gives a narrower track than the 280's, someone please chime in with the difference (there are disadvantages to the 510 struts though, narrower spindles, bearing less durable, etc.).

 

I don't have any poke but I run about -1.0 camber on the front. Looks like you are going for 14x7.5 -6, that would bring you approximately .75 of an inch further out than what I run. You will likely need to roll the arches and crank the camber to around -5 degrees, maybe less? If not will will probably need to pull the arches, but I don't think you'll need to if you're ok with a bit of negative camber. I did roll the inner arches on the rear but no flare. You are going for flares on the rear though so you're not concerned with that. I'll try to attach an image here to show you the fit.

 

Good luck, your Dime is yours - make it an expression of yourself!

 

 

THANK YOU!  I was previously using 15x7 ET0 rota RKRs..  Rolled the fenders for those although I may have been able to squeeze them in there with minor trimming, I have the tools available to roll the lips properly.   I picked up a pair or 14x9-12 SSR mk3s for the front, so flares all around.  ill likely need a spacer to clear the ZX struts at this offset, not excited about using a spacer but the deal was too good to pass up, and this way I will be able to match overall offset to the rear and drive a square setup.  kind of funny considering this decision made my original question moot.

 

 

I think the original post is a question about stretched tires, correct? I used to be into that scene when I was heavy into vw's. But there's a certain point where you need to call it quits. Like when you can't turn hard because you're concerned about the tire breaking the bead and going flat. That's not cool.

the original question was in fact about tire width difference.  I knew I needed to stagger tire size with the wheels I first considered because of the dramatic difference in width, I was curious to know if anyone had any insight on if it would adversely effect the handling characteristics.  I just went with a less dramatically staggered wheel setup.  however, I am sure there will be SOME stretch considering the ever dwindling suppliers of 14 inch tires.  no more than something you would see on a hakosuka drift setup

 

 

 

well, I was bored when I logged on.  this has been fun guys... 



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:00 PM

Thanks for posting this CSL, Interesting study all be it a small test sample of one brand and one tire. Not all tires and sidewalls are made alike though. Not to mention optimizing tire pressure, suspension set up (shock damping, spring rate, roll characteristics), and alignment (toe camber caster) for a specific tire can have a profound effect. Often a study like this with so many uncontrolled variables does more to confuse than it does to inform. For the average Joe however, chances are their choice is driven more by esthetic than real performance. They'll likely do nothing more than slap on a new set of shoes and never make another adjustment, so this study is exactly what they think they need to know to make the "right" decision. In the end, if you don't know what you want it becomes a never ending list of subjective trade offs. That list can be shortened by knowing what you want, and scientifically eliminating what doesn't work. The "best wheel size" is not the same for a young guy vs. an old guy, or as it is for a daily drive, as it is for a weekend solo car, as it is for an all out competition car. Knowing what you want is 80% of the battle. 

A larger study would be awesome, but it comes down to who is going to do it,...Last thing most are going to do is take a chance on casting a bad light on an advertiser.

The study fit into where most car guys fall into, for reasons of funding. Not many get past the wife and kids to be able to put money in a project. Knowing that going from 15's to 18 is going to be an all around bonus to how the car drives is invaluable information. Most of my friends will never get beyond changing out wheel size, 


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