5spd Dog leg Trans Prob

[flatcat19]

No. It will not.

[datzenmike]

The dogleg is a 63A. Not anything like the 71B or C series.

[SK8R SURFR 510]

 

 

 

Actually it's an FS5W71C. The changeover was 86.5. The 720s ended '86.5 and had 71B transmissions. The D-21 Hardbody was a half year model ('86.5) and had the 71C transmission. The S12 switched from 71B to 71C transmissions in .... '86.5.

 

 

 

 

 

Well from your description it is a close ratio 71B from an '81-'83 280zx non turbo. There were also mid ratio and wide ratio transmissions on other vehicles depending on their use. Can't tell from the outside. A picture can sometimes tell if it isn't.

Here are the pics of that Close Ratio 5spd with the L series bell

 

[SK8R SURFR 510]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SK8R SURFR 510]

Wonder if this is a 31" or 26"

[datzenmike]

 

 

Wonder if this is a 31" or 26"

 

The Photobucket picture? 31.5"

 

 

Yes, it is consistent with being an L series 5 speed.  However, only the '80-'83 non turbo 280zx cars had the close ratio gear set. If someone is selling this to you, you'd better investigate first

 

This appears to be from an '80 720 2wd truck, making it a wide ratio box. To check, place in first gear and turn the input shaft 20 times while counting the output spline turns. It will likely be 5.5 turns possibly 6 turns if a mid ratio from a later truck.

[SK8R SURFR 510]

Thanks, guy selling said he did do a gear count and it was a close ratio. when and if I go to look at it I'll double check. With this trans though, I wouldn't have to shorten the driveshaft correct?

 

Also no way I can use the Trans out of my 86.5 hardbody unless I grabbed a different bell housing off a 71B, correct? Just not trying to get another trans if I don't need one and would be cheaper to get the 71b Bellhousing.

[SK8R SURFR 510]

The Photobucket picture? 31.5"

 

 

Yes, it is consistent with being an L series 5 speed.  However, only the '80-'83 non turbo 280zx cars had the close ratio gear set. If someone is selling this to you, you'd better investigate first

 

This appears to be from an '80 720 2wd truck, making it a wide ratio box. To check, place in first gear and turn the input shaft 20 times while counting the output spline turns. It will likely be 5.5 turns possibly 6 turns if a mid ratio from a later truck.

If it is indeed a close ratio, what would the turns be?

[datzenmike]

Thanks, guy selling said he did do a gear count and it was a close ratio. when and if I go to look at it I'll double check. With this trans though, I wouldn't have to shorten the driveshaft correct?

Sellers often, either don't know what they are talking about, want to tell you what you want to hear, don't know what they have or are simply and honestly, just mistaken. The onus is on the buyer to know what is for sale. (let the buyer beware) That tail stock does not look like it's from a 280zx, and only the 280zx has the close ratio gears.

 

In first gear only.

 

5.5.... wide

6...... mid

6.5.... close

[SK8R SURFR 510]

Thanks Mike, yeah I looked at the chart on http://www.gracieland.org/cars/techtalk/gearing2.htmlfor what had the Close ratio and on http://datsunzgarage.com/trans/

[SK8R SURFR 510]

Well I found this place that sells the close ratio Trans, anyone use or hear about them? https://www.californiadatsun.com/transmissions/datsun-z-240z-280zx-rebuilt-oem-5-speed-transmission.html

 

If I'm gonna do something I'm gonna do it right. I'd rather spend the extra money and get one that has been totally rebuilt and fresh.. In doing so will I need the 280zx clutch fork and throughout bearing, Clutch slave correct, read in a past thread that all needs to be the same. In other words I won't be able to use the items from the dogleg.

 

Im aware that I will also need to shorten the drive shaft, Ill also need to find the B type shifter stick and hardware to install the shifter.  Also will need the gear for the speedo cable to work, anyone know the correct part number for that, that goes into the trans?

[datzenmike]

Well I found this place that sells the close ratio Trans, anyone use or hear about them? https://www.californiadatsun.com/transmissions/datsun-z-240z-280zx-rebuilt-oem-5-speed-transmission.html

 

If I'm gonna do something I'm gonna do it right. I'd rather spend the extra money and get one that has been totally rebuilt and fresh.. In doing so will I need the 280zx clutch fork and throughout bearing, Clutch slave correct, read in a past thread that all needs to be the same. In other words I won't be able to use the items from the dogleg.

 

 

 

 

Only the '70 240z had 3.549, the '71-'73 240z were 3.594, the '74 260z was also 3.592.There are no 280a or b. It's 280z '75-'78 (with '77-'78 optional 5 speeds) then 280zx '79-'83 with '80-'83 5 speed only and only in close ratio (non turbo))

 

With these errors you better confirm the ratios yourself.

 

 

Im aware that I will also need to shorten the drive shaft, Ill also need to find the B type shifter stick and hardware to install the shifter. Also will need the gear for the speedo cable to work, anyone know the correct part number for that, that goes into the trans?

Any 4 or 5 speed 71B clutch arm will do, does not have to be from a zx. Could be a 620 after '73, any Z car after '70, any 810 or Maxima, any S110 200sx or a 720.

 

When you get your 510 pull the speedo pinion sleeve out and count the teeth. (probably 17 tooth for a 3.90 differential. There's no telling what you will get or if there is a pinion sleeve in it but some close ratio zx 5 speeds did come with a 17 tooth pinion sleeve assy. The number is 32702-E9817

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Only the '70 240z had 3.549, the '71-'73 240z were 3.594, the '74 260z was also 3.592.There are no 280a or b. It's 280z '75-'78 (with '77-'78 optional 5 speeds) then 280zx '79-'83 with '80-'83 5 speed only and only in close ratio (non turbo))

 

With these errors you better confirm the ratios yourself.

 

 

Any 4 or 5 speed 71B clutch arm will do, does not have to be from a zx. Could be a 620 after '73, any Z car after '70, any 810 or Maxima, any S110 200sx or a 720.

 

When you get your 510 pull the speedo pinion sleeve out and count the teeth. (probably 17 tooth for a 3.90 differential. There's no telling what you will get or if there is a pinion sleeve in it but some close ratio zx 5 speeds did come with a 17 tooth pinion sleeve assy. The number is 32702-E9817

Wow good to know there was errors... This is gonna make it tough to really know if its a true close ratio.. Ill call that company tomorrow and ask questions. Again thanks a lot for all the help. I really appreciate it.

[SK8R SURFR 510]

Mike, you mind sharing where you found the info for ratios you posted?

[datzenmike]

You will probably get what is advertised but a buyer should always know more than the seller. Caveat emptor.... "let the buyer beware"

[SK8R SURFR 510]

Okay, I understand. I'll do more research. 

[SK8R SURFR 510]

I should off caught that chart error... vs. According to the one on http://www.gracieland.org/cars/techtalk/gearing2.html that matches your ratios Mike. Thanks again.

[flatcat19]

Mike, you mind sharing where you found the info for ratios you posted?

 

Bwahahahaha. You must be new.

[datzenmike]

http://www.gracieland.org/cars/techtalk/gearing2.html

 

 

The 280zx /300zx (turbo) is '82.5-'86 using the T-5 FS5R90A. After '86 it was an FS5R30A

 

The 300zx non turbo (ratios are the same as the mid ratio but the overdrive is 0.759) and is an FS5W71C

 

The S10 200sx should read FS5W63A '77-'79

 

The S110 200sx '80-81 model year is FS5W71B

 

The S110 200sx '82-'83 is FS5W71B

 

The S12  to Oct '84 CA20E and CA18ET is FS5W71B and uses the wide ratio  gears

The S12 after Oct '84 to '86.5 is...

CA18ET.... wide ratio FS5W71B

CA20E...... mid ratio FS5W71B

 

After '86.5 the FS5W71C was used on the CA18ET the CA20E and the VG20E.

 

The 521 truck with L16 was '70-'72 and the 4 speed gears was identical to the 510 wagon. I have no idea what that 3.382 would have been used in

 

The 620 truck was late '72- '73 for basically the same transmission as the 521 (not listed)F4W63

The 620 '74 -'79 4 speed F4W71Bwas a 3.592 wide ratio, the '77-'78 5 speed FS5W71B was a mid ratio and an option. The '79 5 speed was a wide ratio and an option.

 

The D-21 '86.5 only used the FS5R30A on VG30E engines the FS5W71C was used on all 4 cylinder enginesZ24 and KA.