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#121 fivetenguy

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 09:05 AM

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:27 AM

Hi guys. I need some help. I am putting a 60a 5spd trans into the coupe but I have what seems like a problem. The clutch fork/lever has about 14mm of travel before it touches the pressure plate. This isn't normal, right? Do I need to get a longer release bearing carrier or should I just shim the pivot point?

I got the trans from a 1980 210 wagon with a 14a. I'm using the bearing carrier it came with. Using a new exedy clutch for an '80 210. Thanks in advance.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:45 PM

With the L motors you use the bearing collar from that matches the pressure plate. Not the tranny. I'm assuming thats the case here as well.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 06:08 PM

That's right. That's what I get from what I've read. I am using the bearing, sleeve and fork from the 60 trans.

After reading on the 1200 website I learned that the flywheel on the 12a is "thinner" than the 14a/15a flywheels. Therefore you have to shim the release bearing about 5mm closer to the flywheel. I ended up ordering a stainless steel washer about 6mm thick and with a 40mm ID, which is the OD of the bearing sleeve. I'll take pics and post them if it works out.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 01:54 AM

I have a thread on this same subject......but never finished it.

Some of the things I have tried/stumbled across:

1. Several years ago, took a 5spd out of a 210 Coupe....bolted it in the 1200 and drove it.  Did not switch t/o collar or anything.

2. Most recently tried the exact same thing and the nut on the slave cylinder had to be adjusted all the way out to barely make contact.

3. Most(if not all) 210's have a plate between the block and trans (about 1/8" thick) and I have not determined if the plate needs to go with the trans or be cast aside.  My thinking is that I did not use it on the one I did several years ago as the thin plate from the 56A trans (covers just the lower part where the flywheel is exposed) has larger holes drilled in it.

4. I now have at least 5 t/o collars, all from either 60 series or 56 series trannys, and each one appears to be different.

5. I have thought about putting a shim in the pivot point, but getting the pivot out seems to be a bitch.

 

I gave up doing this to the green car and am now trying on the gray car (had to have at least on Datsun to drive) and have come to a road block while looking to find that little copper gasket that goes between the slave cylinder and the rubber hose.  I know I have about 6 of them.....just trying to find them.

 

Very interested to see the pics of the washer you are getting.


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 08:04 PM

This is always a fun one: there are two throw out sleeves (three actually but one is rare JDM only) the A12 and A15 flywheels are different heights. Throw in the mix of the 3-4mm thick engine plate and the clutch fork pivots can vary as well as the clutch forks themselves.

So if you use a A12 flywheel (2.4 lbs or so lighter) remove the engine plate, 1mm shorter fork pivot and then use the short sleeve you could come up 10mm or so short. Conversely if you use the A15 flywheel, engine plate etc you end up with a clutch that won't fully release.

Now put in the mix and match of all these components and you may end up with slave cylinder at the extremes of adjustment; if you need to thread the adjuster nut all the way down that's great as the clutch wears but may cause an issue with the pressure plate later on. With the nut all the way out the slave cylinder may over travel and puke it's guts out.

When yanking a tranny yourself it's just a matter of measuring the flywheel height from the back of the block and comparing it to the motor you have in the car. When someone sells or gifts you a tranny you don't have that option. I measure the pressure plate finger height from the back of the block and then measure the throw out bearing distance from the tranny to block mating surface. From there it's pretty easy to work out if you have it right.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 12:53 PM

Kelmo, Tom, great info from both of you. Thanks!



I finally got the washer/spacer yesterday. Like I posted earlier, I got it from McMaster-Carr. Part number is 93475A370 (18-8 Stainless Steel Washer for M39 Screw Size, 40 mm ID, 72 mm OD, Packs of 1) and it costs $5.55 plus shipping ($6).

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I will take pics of the whole process to make it easier for the next guy.

With my current setup: 60a 5spd, 12a engine and flywheel, 1980 210 clutch, sleeve and release bearing (I used the sleeve and bearing from the 210) and no engine plate. I get about 14mm of travel on the fork before the bearing touches the pressure plate.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 04:08 PM

While we wait for the retry of making the 5spd trans work I will just unload some of the pics I've taken while I cleaned up the car and just because this forum needs more pics. My pics may be boring shit, but it's better than no pics.

One of the reasons I started the 5spd swap sooner than later was because the clutch was slipping on take off. Upon taking the clutch off I found out part of the reason. Looks like someone was trying to save themselves 50 bucks.


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The old clutch did not look too bad.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 05:17 PM

The engine bay and trans tunnel was a mess caused by what looked like a leaky oil pan so I had to remove the engine to replace the oil pan gasket.

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Before and after pics of the engine bay clean. Didn't get too serious about cleaning the car as I loose interest real quick when it comes to cleaning and detailing.

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Boring, I know, but pics non the less.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 05:04 AM

The tunnel looks like it is a completely different car now. B)


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 01:53 PM

I gave up doing this to the green car and am now trying on the gray car (had to have at least on Datsun to drive) and have come to a road block while looking to find that little copper gasket that goes between the slave cylinder and the rubber hose.  I know I have about 6 of them.....just trying to find them.

 

Any good parts store sells them in a variety pack on the HELP aisle.   ;)

 

But you'd be amazed what just swapping the rubber line out for a stainless line with a banjo fitting does for pedal feel, and ease of maintenance. 

 

When yanking a tranny yourself it's just a matter of measuring

 

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 02:39 PM

More boring crap...

Fresh flywheel. I just love the way these clutches look when they're nice and clean.

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You like what I used to keep the flywheel from turning when I torqued it down? Hey, it worked :rofl:.

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Going to install a new clutch master and slave. The master gave up on me a while back.

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More boring crap to come...

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:05 AM

Clean, new parts are never boring.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:04 AM

I got to the release bearing carrier issue earlier this week. Removed the old release bearing and installed the washer, then the bearing. I put the flattest part of the washer on the base of the carrier. I took some measurements of the carrier for future reference. Here is the link where I found a lot of useful info: http://datsun1200.co...forumpost365931

I used a 1-1/16" socket to separate the bearing from the carrier. Note: this is the carrier from the 60A 5spd.

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Used a 36mm socket to press (lightly pounded in) the bearing onto the carrier.

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There was a little more than 1mm of space between the washer and bearing.

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After installing trans in, I got what appears good engagement. Instead of the 14mm it looks like it's down to 4mm of free play before contact. I am yet to try shifting with motor running. I'll try that in the coming weeks.

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Just an FYI pic of the total (rough) height of the carrier, bearing and washer.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:11 AM

For what ever reason the new clutch hydraulic hose is about an inch short. It's been a while since I bought it on RockAuto so I cannot return it. I had a braided line and the needed fitting so no big deal.

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A few months back I bought an Addco swaybar. I was surprised to find it for $30 brand new. Maybe it was because it was the last one? I measured it with the old one and it's only 2mm thicker so not much stiffness gained, I guess.

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 08:41 PM

Yeah Nissan has different bearing carriers. The one you want I believe is from the Vanette. http://www.datsun120...select/pid/8772

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:07 AM

afracer, thanks for the info. I ordered one from Japan. I'll install next time I have to remove the transmission.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:24 AM

Been busy with other things and work so this project has been moving at a snail's pace. Bought a new steering wheel and hub. Also, fabbed up some brackets and installed the seats I had in my 510. Hopefully this week coming up I'll be able to start up and possibly drive the car.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:39 AM

Also installed new firewall heater hose grommets and new upper radiator and heater hose.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:33 AM

The seats look good. FWIW, I had my 5 speed in for about 100 miles and then it started to make some noise, took it out and found nothing obvious.  I am curious about the rear trans mount.....It looks like your 1200 may have been an autotrajic to start with.  Did you have to make any changes to the rear mounting point or did it bolt right in?


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