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#1 Farmer Joe

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Posted 31 August 2015 - 06:46 PM

well, by popular demand its time to start a thread for the 411... 

 

 

i kind of decided to put the KA from my 620 in the 411 to get the project rollin. 

 

it was going to end up with an l20b and a Z car 4 speed, but i have the KA on hand, so thats whats goin in it. 

 

 

 

also gonna complete the 210 suspension swap now that i have an engine to build it around. 

 

 

ive already ripped the whole frontend out of an 81 210. ive already figure out how much track width i have to take out of the 210 suspension to make it "fit" in the 411. ill go into more detail as i go along. 

 

but on to the car!

 

its a 67 rl411 4 door. came with the r16 and the 3 speed bw auto trans. its got a super nice interior thats completely stock. the interior was the only reason i said it would be okay to get it. 

 

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we picked it up about a year or so ago. it used to belong to a family of a friend i went to high school with. it sat in there yard all though the time i was in high school up to about 4 years ago when we found it on CL. 

 

went to buy it from them, and theyd already gotten rid of it. 

 

couple more years go by and it pops up on the list again. this time its all taken apart and the whole stock front suspension was fucked. 

 

and this is where we get to the now. 

 

like mentioned before, i picked up a frontend out of a 210, since 411 suspension parts are near impossible to find and expensive as hell. figured 210 stuff should be a bit easier to find parts for, and 510 or Z car parts could be converted to work with it once it was built. 

 

 

so, now its time to get down to workin on it finally. im gonna yank the KA, get the truck parked, and start mocking up the crossmember and suspension..

 

this is where ill dump all that ooey gooey goodness from the build. 

 

 

more to come....


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 10:05 PM

Good Luck!



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:11 PM

You know 411 is set up for a-arms, not struts. I did a subframe modification for an A- series you can see pictures on my build. I'm sure you've checked the kA-swap 411 build that was on here... Good luck!
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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:43 PM

You know 411 is set up for a-arms, not struts. I did a subframe modification for an A- series you can see pictures on my build. I'm sure you've checked the kA-swap 411 build that was on here... Good luck!

 

 

for sure on the front suspension. ive already yanked out the front subframe for the 411. 

 

gonna start making the 210 crossmember fit the 411. ill also have to build strut towers since we're converting to the newer suspension. 

 

i need to find the the measurements i took down before the garage turned into a mess. ill get that posted up here soon. 


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:45 PM

Hey man are you gonna throw the old suspension stuff away or maybe trade for a less banged up drivers fender i may or may not have,,,,,,,,, in baby blue?


q-tip, on 06 Jul 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

    I think they're the same casting for the housing its just whether it has a fan clutch on it or not, but don`t qoute me on that.

 

 

 

 

 


..........................I shall call it, narclops.

 

 

 


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 04:23 PM



Hey man are you gonna throw the old suspension stuff away or maybe trade for a less banged up drivers fender i may or may not have,,,,,,,,, in baby blue?

 

i still have the frontend... 

 

the guy that had it before us really fucked up every balljoint and tierod tho... obviously didnt know what a pickle fork was.. 

 

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maybe ill bring it to canby next year, if there is one? 

 

 

i did find another picture of the 210 suspension under the car....

 

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it sorta fits... lol

 

got a lot of work ahead..


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Posted 04 September 2015 - 09:12 PM

okie dokie.. 

 

found the paper work in the garage finally... 

 

 

most of this is pretty rough, but pretty close.

 

 

411 guys correct me if im wrong. 

 

 

wms to wms on the 411 is close to 49.5 inches

 

wms to wms on the 210 is close to 55.5 inches

 

distance between stock 210/b310 struts is 35.5 inches

 

 

im going to take 4 inches out of the center of the crossmember, steering center link and the distance between the struts. 

 

 

next is the difference in the way the 411 subframe bolts on, and the 210 crossmember bolts on. 

 

the thing im still trying to figure out is where the 210 crossmember will mount on the 'frame rails' of the 411. the forward to aft location. gonna have to use the 411 subframe to get a reference of where the the old axle center line was. 

 

since the 210 crossmember bolts on from the bottom on the 210, it isnt going to work like that on the 411. my idea was to use some angle iron on the top of the 210 crossmember that will end up riding snugly inside the frame rails on the 411 chassis. if theres room on the outside of the crossmember, ill add another piece of steel to make it 'clamp' onto the frame. this was itll still drop out if need be. 

 

sorta like this...

 

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thats about all i got for the front suspension right now. if i can get an oil pan from a single cam 240sx, then i wont have to flip the crossmember or mess with the steering.

 

 

more to come. 


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Posted 05 September 2015 - 12:10 AM

With the removal of the 4in from the cross member is that going to also move your motor mounts in or you going to push those 2in out on each side, so with that in mind, it looks by you picture of the 210 suspension that's going to place your motor mounts rite in the area that you want to fabricate to mount to the frame, maybe one idea would be to remove the motor mounts all together get the 210 suspension mounted where it needs to be, mount the mounts to the motor! dry fit it in, than can adjust the mounts as needed to fit

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 10:28 AM

you correct man... good thinkin

 

lookin at it now, im prolly gona toss those stock 210 motormount uprights. when it comes down to it, that crossmember might end up with DOM tubing as the middle when its done so i have more room for the front sump. 

 

 

we will see...

 

nice to see people are readin the thread tho!


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Posted 07 September 2015 - 09:27 PM

Here what mine looked like when I first started modding it..
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And further down the line...
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Posted 07 September 2015 - 09:32 PM

ERiCH!  You might want to survy this lot!



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 10:16 PM

That is in your thread???  I don't remember seeing those pictures before right this second,

 

Or am i stupid?

 

Why does your lower ball joint look so new??

 

Here what mine looked like when I first started modding it..
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And further down the line...
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q-tip, on 06 Jul 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

    I think they're the same casting for the housing its just whether it has a fan clutch on it or not, but don`t qoute me on that.

 

 

 

 

 


..........................I shall call it, narclops.

 

 

 


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Posted 07 September 2015 - 10:33 PM

I rebuilt my lower control arms to work with my airbags. At that point I switched to 510 ball joints even though I had a set of NOS 410... Now I can just go to Napa if I ever need to replace.
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Posted 08 September 2015 - 11:09 AM

thats a trick subframe, there...


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 05:09 PM

I rebuilt my lower control arms to work with my airbags. At that point I switched to 510 ball joints even though I had a set of NOS 410... Now I can just go to Napa if I ever need to replace.

So!  What's the status of those NOS 410 ball joints?  My 48 year old units have been very well cared for but most probably won't last another 60 years.



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Posted 08 September 2015 - 07:08 PM

I sold the pair to a girl with a 4-door 411 in San Jose. I Have one more left. 555 brand.
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Posted 10 September 2015 - 06:54 PM

little update.. 

 

ordered a s13 single cam oil pan off ebay. should be here in a week or so...

 

 

now i really have to start cleanin u the garage.. shits about to get real.. lol


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 08:26 AM

Garage cleaned yet??

 

. :lol: 


q-tip, on 06 Jul 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

    I think they're the same casting for the housing its just whether it has a fan clutch on it or not, but don`t qoute me on that.

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 09:57 AM

Garage cleaned yet??

 

. :lol:

 

ha.... 

 

 

no..


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Posted 18 September 2015 - 11:00 AM

That's as real as it gets, right there.