Eriks Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 What do they actually look like? Appreciate pictures :) Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 That is a Z series 63A/dogleg. 26.5" long. Not sure if it came from an A10 or an S110. Don't really think there was a difference between them. Mike would know. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 A 200sx short tail (here at least) would be the FS5W63A 5 speed used on the S10 or first generation 200sx. It only came with 5 speed or automatic. The second generation 200sx the S110 were all long tail FSrW71B 5 speeds (or automatics) The FS5W63A was a reverse above first shift pattern also known as a dogleg. R...2...4 1...3...5 The FS5W63A was also an option on the '77-'81 A10 (later 510) There was a very slightly 'closer' ratio gear set used on the '80-'81 A10 that had the Z20 engine. The FS5W63A was also used as an option on the '76 and up B-210 GX but the front case bolt pattern was for the A series engine. Internally the same as the S10 5 speed. The dogleg is 26" long (660mm) and has a smooth case without external ribbing. There us a large and unique nut on the bottom of the tail just forward of the mount. The transmission on the right below is a dogleg (actually from a Z series engine) and you can see the nut facing down on an angle because this transmission was pictures in the L series position and is leaning. The right side of the tail will have 63A cast into it... From the back A series and two L series doglegs. Left to right Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 While were on dogleg banter, Mike, I will be doing my Z63A to L63A bell housing swap. Any info to lay upon us? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Pretty straight forward. The counter gear front bearing is the most failure prone part. Always replace the output seal (same as the 71B transmissions) they are only $3-$5. 71-B shifter bushings will fit it too. The Z series first and second gears are a little closer together than the L series dogleg. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Would this be really similar to a 71B swap? Same tools and all. Wayno told me to replace the front bearing. Do you concur? Part no? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 71B swap about the same. Guessing here. 32223-N9000 taper bearing, counter shaft. Wayno is very right. The 63A is perfect for the L16. The L20B? it's just adequate for that. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 L18 with this one. If I can find the pistons I'm looking for, long rod 1.8. Quote Link to comment
Eriks Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Thanks, are they hard to find? Would like one for my L18 Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 They may not be too easy to find in Norway. 2WD short bed single cab 720s came with a short 5 speed. Swap a 71B L bell to em and they're good to go. Again, I don't know what kind of availabilty you have to this stuff in Norway. I'm sitting on 2 doglegs right now. Removing the bell from the L to put on the Z. So I will have 1 trans and 2 halves. Quote Link to comment
Eriks Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Not sure either, but it doesnt have to be found in Norway. I have an address in New Jersey. Im happy to buy in the US. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Start searching CL ads on the Left Coast. Quote Link to comment
Dime Dave Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 The input shaft on the A series 63 dogleg has a smaller diameter pilot bushing than the L or Z transmission. The clutch spline is the same, but the pilot bushing is different. 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Not sure either, but it doesnt have to be found in Norway. I have an address in New Jersey. Im happy to buy in the US. Europe got longtail 63A doglegs on 910SSS models. A fellow in Norway sent me this picture of his stash... #5 and #3 are long doglegs. Here's another imported here... Finding one in Norway might be cheaper. Flatcat here is a picture of the tapered counter bearing... lower right. In comparison is the 71B on the left. Much larger bearings. Quote Link to comment
Eriks Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Datzenmike, thank you for all this informationand photos. I appreciate it a lot. I have three longtail doglegs from 610 Sss, but the idea of having a short tail and the ease of no modifications to driveshaft or cutting in floor is attractive. But i sense that you favour the long tail nonetheless Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Not at all on the doglegs. As far as I know they are identical other than length, just that the longs are likely easier for you to find. The FS5W71B is also a long tail and fits the 510 with only a mount modification, other than a driveshaft shortening. The FS5W71B is easily two or three times as strong as the dogleg and comes with three internal gear ratio choices. It was used on and strong enough for the L six cylinder and truck use. If I was going to import a 5 speed I would get one of those. L series 71B 5 speeds were available on '77-'78 280z '79-'83 non turbo 280zx '77-'80 810 '81-'84 Maxima '77-'79 620 trucks '80 (only) 2wd 720 trucks. Quote Link to comment
Eriks Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I actually have a 280zx 1979 with the tranny in it. It will fit in the 510 without cutting in the floor? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Yes it will fit. You may need to trim the shifter hole for proper fit and the cross member mount will need modifications or you can build one easily enough. I'll post the article about that tonight when I get home. I can also supply the correct wagon driveline length to be shortened to. In a pinch a sedan driveshaft will be close enough to use on a wagon with a zx 5 speed. On my 710 I replaced the similar length 4 speed with a zx 5 speed and was able to unclip the stock speedometer cable to get all the slack I could and them run it diagonally down over the 5 speed to the right side. Or do you have RSD cars in Norway??? 1 Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Ordered my counter shaft bearingvtoday from Nissan. Quote Link to comment
Eriks Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Yes it will fit. You may need to trim the shifter hole for proper fit and the cross member mount will need modifications or you can build one easily enough. I'll post the article about that tonight when I get home. I can also supply the correct wagon driveline length to be shortened to. In a pinch a sedan driveshaft will be close enough to use on a wagon with a zx 5 speed. On my 710 I replaced the similar length 4 speed with a zx 5 speed and was able to unclip the stock speedometer cable to get all the slack I could and them run it diagonally down over the 5 speed to the right side. Or do you have RSD cars in Norway??? By RSD you mean right side drive? Our cars are left hand drive. Sure will appreciate the article as well as driveline length. My options suddenly seems more, having both a dogleg, a 280zx tranny, and a sedan driveshaft available. I also have the crossmember for 5speeds that are sold on Ebay. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Turns out counter shaft bearing is NLA from Nissan. FML. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yes Right Hand Drive, (was in hurry at work) Volume 9 Issue 3 of the Dime Quarterly. Can be viewed on Google Docs.... https://drive.google.com/folderview?ddrp=1&id=0ByCvxnHNk90SYzc4N2E1MWEtMzg0MC00YTE4LTkxZGQtM2RjODA5ODA1YjU1# 510 driveshafts... Top to bottom Shortened sedan......... 37 3/8" or....... ... 949.3mm Stock sedan*.............. 42 9/16" or ..... 1081mm Shortened wagon*.... 43 11/16"...... .. 1109.66mm Stock wagon................ 48 7/8" or...... ...1241.4mm As you can see the shortened wagon and the stock sedan are within 1 1/8" or 28.57mm of each other. . Quote Link to comment
Eriks Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Perfect, thanks again :) Quote Link to comment
qwik510 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Just make sure you research the gear ratios on those 280ZX 5 speeds. They were different through the years and not all are optimal with a 4 cylinder engine. 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 That's true David. On a stock L16 they wouldn't improve the take off acceleration. And cruise RPMs might be a bit low and a struggle. The good news is the 510 is very light. The '79 zx had a 3.321 ratio first and a 0.864 over drive. A good all round 'mid' ratio transmission with 14% over drive. For an L16, maybe a better choice? The '80 (non turbo) cars were 3.062* first and 0.773 over drive** The '81-'83 (non turbo) were 3.062* first and 0.745 over drive**.... (all 4th gears are the same) * The stock 510 first is 3.382 so 3.062 will require a small increase in effort to roll from a stop. Not too hard for a light 510 though. ** this is 23% and 25.5% overdrive!!! Very tall for a 4 cylinder at highway speeds to push through the air resistance using a stock engine. Not so much a problem for a larger L28 six cylinder. Quote Link to comment
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