jacob80 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hey guys, I'm ready to put a KA24DE in my 510, however, I made an interesting discovery when I crawled under my Chevy-350 equipped 510 and saw a rack and pinion. It looks like from the factory, these cars had steering boxes. I, apparently, have a rack and pinion from what resembles a 240Z? The guys I bought it from said that when he bought it, they mentioned how the crossmember was flipped and the wheels set forward in the wheel well further. Not sure what to make of that, but it doesn't look flipped to me. How should I proceed at this point? Like I said, a KA24DE will be going in the car along with the transmission for that motor. Quote Link to comment
thisismatt Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 That isn't a 510 crossmember at all. Maybe a 200sx or similar. 510 lower control arms are in single sheer, not double like the xmember you have. If it works I would keep it. Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 That isn't a 510 crossmember at all. Maybe a 200sx or similar. 510 lower control arms are in single sheer, not double like the xmember you have. If it works I would keep it. Wonder if I'll have clearance issues with a front sump KA24 oil pan, then? This one doesn't appear to be "bowed" like the stock one. Quote Link to comment
q-tip Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Make a rear sumo pan, one one fabbed part and you can run all the rest of that stuff Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 R&P can't be from any Z car. they are mounted behind the front wheels. If moved in front, a left turn would turn the car to the right. Here is an S110 cross member... Oh boy. It's true about chevy owners. There is a reasonfor stereotypes... Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 R&P can't be from any Z car. they are mounted behind the front wheels. If moved in front, a left turn would turn the car to the right. Here is an S110 cross member... Oh boy. It's true about chevy owners. There is a reasonfor stereotypes... So you don't think this is a 240Z rack and pinion? Looks a HELL of a lot like the one of my 240Z, I could be wrong, though. How should I approach this? If the pan simply won't clear, just make a rear sump pan? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 So you don't think this is a 240Z rack and pinion? Looks a HELL of a lot like the one of my 240Z, I could be wrong, though. You tell me. Is the 240z R&P behind the front wheels? If so placing it ahead of the wheels like the picture above will reverse the turning input. Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 The wheel does not turn the wrong way. Back to the question at hand! Is this as simple as modifying the stock pan for rear sump? Also, I'm curious as to how the motor will mount to this crossmember. Any input on this? Can anyone confirm or deny whether or not this is a 240Z crossmember? Looks extremely similar if it isn't. Quote Link to comment
thisismatt Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Looks like it may be. 510 is normally rear steer, 240z is front steer. The problem is that your 510 has tension rods and the 240z has compression rods, so your 510 tension rods get in the way of the steering tie rods, which is why the retard who did the install on your car spaced the tension rod up off the ball joint/control arm with...nuts? Also it looks like he cut/moved/changed the tension rod gussets (maybe the rods too?), which look like they could tear off. Looks like a lot of work that should be redone... Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Ah, I can see now what you mean. At this point, it's sounding to me like I need to track down a complete front 510 suspension and reverse everything this clown did to the car. Ugh. Any other suggestions? I knew when I saw the 350 that someone didn't know what they were doing...cripes. Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Want to buy: Datsun 510 front suspension Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 It looks like they used this technique: http://www.datsuns.com/Tech/510/rack-n-pinion/510_rack_conversion.htm At this point, would it be more beneficial to find a 510 suspension (crossmember, control arms, T/C rods, etc) or relocate the T/C rods to be rearward of the crossmember and call it a day? Quote Link to comment
'70dime Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I want more pictures. Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I want more pictures. I'm pulling the motor today, so I will post them later this afternoon. I'm afraid of what I might find. I now they cut the trans tunnel and widened it to make the 350 work. Looks like it's a fiberglass job, too. *sigh* Quote Link to comment
q-tip Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 You have two options 1. Find a whole 510 front suspension and flip the cross member and buy a front sump sway bar. Hope that you can still bolt it in. 2. Make a custom rear sump oil pan for the ka the clears everything that you already have. Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 At this point, I think it'd be more work to reinstate the stock suspension. I'll reposition the traction control rods rearward like a 240Z and call it a day. Anything else I can do to make this right? Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I also just made sense of one of the previous comments. The motor is mounted to the frame rail. Can it get much worse? :confused: Quote Link to comment
hosestop@msn.com Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Get an all aluminum LS1 and call it done ,check out Pete Brocks !Or I have a couple 240sx xmembers to make more work . Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Nah I have a built KA24 lined up. I'll make some new motor mount brackets. Quote Link to comment
Nuclear Water Boy Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 That is definetely a 240Z crossmember and R&P can't say fersure if the tension rod gussets were moved or not, neeed better pictures. But if the 240z T/C rods were used then ya the tension rod gussets would need to be moved closer as I believe they are shorter than 510 T/C Rods. Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 At this point I think I will build custom motor brackets onto the crossmember unless someone has a better alternative method. I'm thinking something along the lines of this type of bracket. I plan on welding this up myself. Should be fairly straight forward: http://community.ratsun.net/topic/46033-ka24de-and-rack-and-pinion-for-my-68-soon/ Quote Link to comment
DrRocks0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 You can get this: http://www.amazon.com/Solid-Aluminum-Cross-member-Datsun/dp/B00EJ378AE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1409007196&sr=8-3&keywords=510+crossmember but then will have to fab R&P mounts to it. I'm running an MR2 R&P that is rear steer like should be on a 510. My crossmember clears the pan and the R&P clears the dip to the transmission, but it is pretty close. Also for flipped wheels maybe the previous owner ment was they flipped the spindles.. left on right and right on left, to make whatever that steering rack is work. Quote Link to comment
jacob80 Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 That is a very cheap piece. I can make brackets for less. Quote Link to comment
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