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Huh? Never meant to demonize, stating facts. If not statistics and if you have travelled a lot, you will see how we consume much more than others. Back in the 80s, I travelled throughout Europe and Germany was already not using plastic bags, in Asian countries, where i also travelled, they used and recycle everything. I also observed that each state in the USA, people are are different, like I was stationed in Maine and people consumed less than Californians.

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I stated facts too, I also find it hard to believe that 300m people consume more than 1.3b that's hard to believe, where does that "fact" come from?, What is the source?, Is it from the same people who made up the global warming scam?

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oh and by the way, did you two know that Americans are the most responsible stewards of this planet?, Ya throw that into your "statistics"

 

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What? Really? That really didn't look like satire.

 

 

U.S. Citizens, Corporations, Government, nor other entities, are NOT the most responsible stewards of the planet. We are not even close to negating our impact. Where the hell are you gleening this information?

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So if Americans, are the most responsible stewards in the planet, what happened at Flint, camp Lejeune, or the ponds and creeks by my house. They are all contaminated. And lots of land in Silicon Valley has been tested and proven to have high levels of contaminants...no I'm no bleeding heart liberal or from fake news or fake stats.

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My cousin said there's alot of cheap properties in Picher Oklahoma,, thinking of moving the family there.  Was considering Miami Oklahoma but the bright yellow streams are a kind of a turnoff for the wife.

 

 

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So if Americans, are the most responsible stewards in the planet, what happened at Flint, camp Lejeune, or the ponds and creeks by my house. They are all contaminated. And lots of land in Silicon Valley has been tested and proven to have high levels of contaminants...no I'm no bleeding heart liberal or from fake news or fake stats.

Now compare that to every other country and what they don't do to minimize the impact of developing, and I am correct to say America does more to protect the environment than everyone else.

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Now compare that to every other country and what they don't do to minimize the impact of developing, and I am correct to say America does more to protect the environment than everyone else.

I somewhat agree with you but.... I work construction,one of the builders claims and advertises "we've gone green"  They create open space preserves by leveling and regrading open space and then re-planting.WTF is that shit ? you didn't create anything,you destroyed it first.People buy it up.I do think this country for what it produces does a pretty good job of being clean but you won't ever get a treehugger to believe it.

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I stated facts too, I also find it hard to believe that 300m people consume more than 1.3b that's hard to believe, where does that "fact" come from?, What is the source?, Is it from the same people who made up the global warming scam?

Show me your numbers. If you're stating facts, then it's easy enough to show us a set of numbers.

 

Maybe an amount of money spent on preservation of forests per capita, or a chart listing what countries produce the most pollution divided by what they spend on cleanup.

 

If it's a scam, point me in the direction of the money trail. Who's gaining? Who's losing? What about the negatives of clean energy?

 

I'd use NOAA as a source. They have hard numbers on temperatures and atmosphere composition going back decades.

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Show me your numbers. If you're stating facts, then it's easy enough to show us a set of numbers.

Maybe an amount of money spent on preservation of forests per capita, or a chart listing what countries produce the most pollution divided by what they spend on cleanup.

If it's a scam, point me in the direction of the money trail. Who's gaining? Who's losing? What about the negatives of clean energy?

I'd use NOAA as a source. They have hard numbers on temperatures and atmosphere composition going back decades.

Numbers are easily manipulated to get the results you want, if Al Gore was right then today NY would be 20 feet under sea water and all the polar ice wouldn't exist, him and his buddies manipulated the NOAA data to get the computer simulation results to push their agenda and now you're going to trust the NOAA??? LOL!, It was all a scam to enrich the elites who prey on our fears for profit, all of them live in 10k square foot mansions and fly around in private jets laughing at us while plotting their next scam....like climate change and the bullshit liesmaking you believe that somehow you can reverse the planet's natural process, that's mighty godly if you ask me, it's the planet's natural cycle, you cannot stop it, everything will change, the planet is fine like George Carlin said, we are fucked up!

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Numbers are easily manipulated to get the results you want, if Al Gore was right then today NY would be 20 feet under sea water and all the polar ice wouldn't exist, him and his buddies manipulated the NOAA data to get the computer simulation results to push their agenda and now you're going to trust the NOAA??? LOL!, It was all a scam to enrich the elites who prey on our fears for profit, all of them live in 10k square foot mansions and fly around in private jets laughing at us while plotting their next scam....like climate change and the bullshit liesmaking you believe that somehow you can reverse the planet's natural process, that's mighty godly if you ask me, it's the planet's natural cycle, you cannot stop it, everything will change, the planet is fine like George Carlin said, we are fucked up!

Then manipulate them for me. You know the path to truth better than anyone. Teach me.

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/\....KO, we can at least agree that numbers can be manipulated to serve ones purpose as you stated. So point me to an article that is unbiased that demonstrate that America is doing a pretty good job, as compared to the rest of the world, of protecting the environment.

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/\....KO, we can at least agree that numbers can be manipulated to serve ones purpose as you stated. So point me to an article that is unbiased that demonstrate that America is doing a pretty good job, as compared to the rest of the world, of protecting the environment.

Why should I waste my time with that?, I've been to 3rd world countries and all over the US from coast to coast, I reported what I saw and see with my own eyes, not what some article has to say.

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