racerx Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yes, kids learned how to shoot but in this case an Uzi?, mr. Vacca is a vet? He should know better. When my son was 10 years old, took him and wife to the range and demonstrated my .357. Did I let my wife shoot yes, did i let him know. What happened w mr. Vacca was tragic and more common sense was not applied. I read that even the little girl said that the Uzi was too much for her. Link to comment
Dolomite Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 It wasn’t tragic, it was a perfect example of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. His was a Darwin award. If you watch the vid, you can tell she didn’t want to do it and he was kinda pushing her on it. An Uzi has such a high rate of fire, it can get away from an adult, much less a little girl...now because of his dumb ass, she has to live the rest of her life with that on her shoulders. 1 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 At six they don't have much choice about it. Dad decides for him and they naturally want to please an adult. This assumes the dad is adult enough to know his kid can be trusted with a firearm in the first place and that his ego doesn't convince him that his kid want's to be like dad. Rather, it would be better if the child showed some interest in firearms first, rather than be made to do it. It's not a foregone conclusion that everyone wants to learn how to fire a gun safely. They're kids, teach them to throw ball, swim or ride a bike. Link to comment
racerx Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yes, it was tragic and i do agree how messed up she will be the rest of her life. Link to comment
q-tip Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Using the extreme of a 6 year old with an Uzi is stretching what I meant. My father in law was running around shooting jack rabbits with a .22 when he was 4, never shot himself or anything he wasn't supposed to because he was taught properly and respected the firearm and the rules that applied to it. I shot my firs gun at about 7 and started hunting at 12. The Golden rule that it to always be followed: treat every firearm as if it is loaded at all times. Every other firearm rule is a direct derivative of this rule. 5 Link to comment
john510 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 That’s a bullshit strawman...I know, super shocking from you. That “instructor” is dead because he’s a dumbfuck. He never should’ve let her go auto, she’d never fired a anything like that in her life. That wasn’t a damn training session, it was a Las Vegas tourist machinegun range. You done showed your true colors here John, closet blue to the core. I wish I could be nice enough to say misinformation, but that was fake as fuck news. There’s thousands of kids, and probably millions, since the beginning of America that have learned to shoot before six and trusted to plink in the woods before seven. Duder, you’re still raging against the tool, not the cause. Well taught children are usually more firearms safe than adults because they don’t bring arrogance into it, they’re more likely to follow rules and safety regs. I was well taught by my buddy and his dad around eight or so, my older brother was barely taught by our mom. Guess who shot himself with a pellet gun, and whom got in trouble with the pellet gun. Not me, I made him go buy his own because I didn’t want him fucking up with mine. Just a good thing he never fucked up with my .22lr. It’s all in the teaching. Matter of fact...shoutout to Mr. Mike Theis and his son Gunner for teaching me lifelong lessons in safety and proper technique. So did you teach your 6 year old to shoot ? Link to comment
Dolomite Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 She’s not six yet. However she has shot a pellet gun from my lap with assistance. If she decides she wants to step up to a .22lr by then, it’s quite probable. I don’t push my kids to do what I want them to do for fun, they decide and if I’m ok with it, that’s what they do. I wanted my oldest to join a BJJ class when she turned four, she wanted gymnastics...so she does gymnastics. It’s asinine to think young kids can’t have original thought on what to do with their recreational time. Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah they should learn to drive a car or operate an excavator.... Link to comment
a.d._510_n_ok Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Using the extreme of a 6 year old with an Uzi is stretching what I meant. My father in law was running around shooting jack rabbits with a .22 when he was 4, never shot himself or anything he wasn't supposed to because he was taught properly and respected the firearm and the rules that applied to it. I shot my firs gun at about 7 and started hunting at 12. The Golden rule that it to always be followed: treat every firearm as if it is loaded at all times. Every other firearm rule is a direct derivative of this rule. I used to deliver propane to a pair of elderly brothers who had been orphaned as boys in the 1930s. The orphanage was such a violent place that they ran away. They were ages six and eight at the time. They built a dug out near a creek and started trapping beavers for fur. When they had enough pelts, they sent them off to a place in, I shit you not, New York City, and some furrier there sent them a single shot .22 rifle in the US mail for payment. They did it a second time and when both boys had rifles made a pretty good living selling pelts. Personally, I never scared my kids away from guns. Before they were ten, they had fired an SKS multiple times (they loved that) as well as a 98k Mauser and a 91/59 Mosin that left bruises on the shoulder. There was no mystery in guns to them and they were aware of the pain firearms could cause. I never forced them to shoot and putting an Uzi in the hand of a six year old....? That was just Mr. Darwin being proven right again. 2 Link to comment
racerx Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Martial arts is a very activity. Teaches discipline and starting and ending. My son did tae kwon do from 5 years old took 10 when he got his black belt. Bjj good stuff, see if u could do month to month, they will probably have you sign a year. This is in case your daughter does not 2and to continue and you may end up eating the cost for a whole year. 1 Link to comment
I'm BLUE Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah they should learn to drive a car or operate an excavator....Well.... I know of a few farms who have been teaching their children to operate equipment from a young age. I’m not saying it’s always SAFE , but some of the best drivers I know on the road today started out this way at an early age. It’s not for everyone though... 1 Link to comment
Dolomite Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah they should learn to drive a car or operate an excavator.... I was maybe three sitting on my old mans lap steering our ‘51 Willys pickup on our dirt road, I may have dropped a tire in the ditch here or there but no harm, no foul. Although not an excavator, I learned how to operate our backhoe around age eight. My oldest has steered my Vic on private dirt roads, she’s pretty good. 2 Link to comment
a.d._510_n_ok Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 I was maybe three sitting on my old mans lap steering our ‘51 Willys pickup on our dirt road, I may have dropped a tire in the ditch here or there but no harm, no foul. Although not an excavator, I learned how to operate our backhoe around age eight. My oldest has steered my Vic on private dirt roads, she’s pretty good. 12+ year old kids here in Oklahoma can drive pretty much anything including semi trucks without any license or permit during harvest season. Also, the Rothschilds are controlling your weather! D.C. Councilman Thinks Jews Control The Weather A D.C. lawmaker suggested that the Rothschilds—a prominent Jewish family—control the weather, in a video posted to social media last week. D.C. council member Trayon White Sr. posted the footage to his Facebook page at around 7.20 a.m. on Friday. In the clip, White can be heard making the outlandish remarks while filming snowfall from inside his car with a cellphone. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dc-councilman-thinks-jews-control-the-weather/ar-BBKpVET 2 Link to comment
Ratwagon1600 Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Whilst y’all are debating whether kids should have access to firearms when they are being supervised, would anyone like to discuss the issues of how a nine year old child gets hold of a firearm and shoots his sibling in the head? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-19/us-boy-shoots-sister-over-video-game-controller/9564702 Murica................... Link to comment
Jesse C. Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah! Only in Ameri...what? 2 Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah! Only in Ameri...what? Well, at least the finger is off the trigger. 2 Link to comment
racerx Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Whilst y’all are debating whether kids should have access to firearms when they are being supervised, would anyone like to discuss the issues of how a nine year old child gets hold of a firearm and shoots his sibling in the head? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-19/us-boy-shoots-sister-over-video-game-controller/9564702 Murica................... ...hope the parent or parents or whoever feels guilty as hell. Should be locked up and unloaded. Link to comment
john510 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Whilst y’all are debating whether kids should have access to firearms when they are being supervised, would anyone like to discuss the issues of how a nine year old child gets hold of a firearm and shoots his sibling in the head? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-19/us-boy-shoots-sister-over-video-game-controller/9564702 Murica................... That would be caused by a stupid parent.Gun not locked up properly,kid taught its ok to play with it and use it. Link to comment
Dolomite Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Whilst y’all are debating whether kids should have access to firearms when they are being supervised, would anyone like to discuss the issues of how a nine year old child gets hold of a firearm and shoots his sibling in the head? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-19/us-boy-shoots-sister-over-video-game-controller/9564702 Murica................... That’s a shit parent problem, not an America problem. Parents are going to do prison time for it. Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 During harvest season both my oldest could drive a manual 3/4 and one-ton trucks down 1 1/2 lane country type roads ( with on coming traffic also driven sometimes by WAY underage drivers) towing a loaded 17 foot trailer by the age of 13 ,, if that counts. For the record no-one ever got anywhere near harmed Well.... I know of a few farms who have been teaching their children to operate equipment from a young age. I’m not saying it’s always SAFE , but some of the best drivers I know on the road today started out this way at an early age. It’s not for everyone though... 12+ year old kids here in Oklahoma can drive pretty much anything including semi trucks without any license or permit during harvest season. anyways Here's middle boy test driving oldests bronco at 12 in front yard... It's a manual shifter. . 4 Link to comment
tr8er Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 That would be caused by a stupid parent.Gun not locked up properly,kid taught its ok to play with it and use it. So when our right to bare arms violates our right to life (because idiots are allowed to own guns) why shall we feel unjustified in amending the ammendment? Idiots should be prevented from owning guns so loaded weapons don't get left in a sock drawer where a kid can find it. Not a gun grab comment, but simply an aptitude test. Are you fucking stupid enough to warrant your gun right revoked? And this isn't a spelling test. It's a test of gun safety and weapons ownership that should be proven. I went through gun safety training/certification when I was 14. That certification is still valid and all I need to buy guns. I should be tested. And the course was a fucking joke to begin with. I don't think a single person in our training failed. Link to comment
john510 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 So when our right to bare arms violates our right to life (because idiots are allowed to own guns) why shall we feel unjustified in amending the ammendment? Idiots should be prevented from owning guns so loaded weapons don't get left in a sock drawer where a kid can find it. Not a gun grab comment, but simply an aptitude test. Are you fucking stupid enough to warrant your gun right revoked? And this isn't a spelling test. It's a test of gun safety and weapons ownership that should be proven. I went through gun safety training/certification when I was 14. That certification is still valid and all I need to buy guns. I should be tested. And the course was a fucking joke to begin with. I don't think a single person in our training failed. This isn't a 2nd amendment issue is it ? Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Harsh, but I doubt he will want to, and if his marriage survives this, I doubt his wife will allow another firearm in the house. Third leading cause of childhood death. 1,300 a year... includes suicides, homicides, accidental and other. Almost 6K injured. All because the owners think they need their own protection and are safer with one. Link to comment
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