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Actually, all laws are made to give law enforcement the ability to arrest, prosecute and convict. Not the obligation to. I usually use J-walking as the example. Cops CAN stop you for j-walking. But if you are in the middle of fucking nowhere running from a bear and you cross a country road, should you get a ticket? Yeah, it's different because it's not criminal, but it is the spirit of law in general. Do illegal shit, and you can be punished for it. It is not the case that you will be punished for it. If that were the case, your speedometer would just print you a ticket every time you go beyond the posted speed limit. Many crimes should always be prosecuted, certainly, but that is not how the legal system is set up. Nor do I believe cutting a gun in protest to to one of those crimes. Proofs in the pudding though. She won't be charged because that is not the spirit of the law.

ATF and the spirit of the law? HAHAHAHA. Give me a fucking break.

 

If she was a conservative the press would be asking for blood for the exact same actions, but because she is a liberal she will get a pass.

 

SHE broke the law. Very clearly and then videoed it. Stop, do not pass go, go straight to jail.

 

Either way she proved she is too stupid to be a congressional candidate (or maybe the right kind of stupid??) by not learning about the correct way to pull off her publicity stunt beforehand.

 

The ATF has fucking killed people over a 1/2 inch difference on a gun before. There is no "spirit of the law" with them.

 

 

 

EDIT: I actually think this shouldn't be a crime, mostly because I think the ATF should be disbanded and the NFA laws they enforce completely revoked.

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ATF and the spirit of the law? HAHAHAHA. Give me a fucking break.

 

If she was a conservative the press would be asking for blood for the exact same actions, but because she is a liberal she will get a pass.

 

SHE broke the law. Very clearly and then videoed it. Stop, do not pass go, go straight to jail.

 

Either way she proved she is too stupid to be a congressional candidate (or maybe the right kind of stupid??) by not learning about the correct way to pull off her publicity stunt beforehand.

 

The ATF has fucking killed people over a 1/2 inch difference on a gun before. There is no "spirit of the law" with them.

 

 

 

EDIT: I actually think this shouldn't be a crime, mostly because I think the ATF should be disbanded and the NFA laws they enforce completely revoked.

 

I suspect those who want her executed for slicing a gun in half are either gun owners or the opposite of her political beliefs, or both, and those who say it's no big deal are the opposite of them. Haters going to hate. I can't see cutting a gun in half and then turning it in to the police as a reckless disregard for other's safety nor is it intended to flout the law forbidding this action. Nothing will happen.... and not because she's a conservative. Ask yourself... was this to to shorten the barrel or was it to cut a gun in half. SMFH

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I suspect those who want her executed for slicing a gun in half are either gun owners or the opposite of her political beliefs, or both, and those who say it's no big deal are the opposite of them. Haters going to hate. I can't see cutting a gun in half and then turning it in to the police as a reckless disregard for other's safety nor is it intended to flout the law forbidding this action. Nothing will happen.... and not because she's a conservative. Ask yourself... was this to to shorten the barrel or was it to cut a gun in half. SMFH

If she broke the law... she should pay the price. I don't know anything about her beliefs. I don't care about the gun. If I would get in trouble for it.. then so should she. No one is above the law. Supposedly..

 

But what's important.. let's not railroad her until we know beyond a reasonable doubt, that she broke the law. And a court would need to make that determination.

 

And she does not need intent.. fml.

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If she broke the law... she should pay the price. I don't know anything about her beliefs. I don't care about the gun. If I would get in trouble for it.. then so should she. No one is above the law. Supposedly..

 

But what's important.. let's not railroad her until we know beyond a reasonable doubt, that she broke the law. And a court would need to make that determination.

 

And she does not need intent.. fml.

You wouldn't. Go post a video of yourself grinding a gun in half and see. Just do it in the spirit of destroying the weapon and do a better job since you know better.

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If she broke the law... she should pay the price. I don't know anything about her beliefs. I don't care about the gun. If I would get in trouble for it.. then so should she. No one is above the law. Supposedly..

 

But what's important.. let's not railroad her until we know beyond a reasonable doubt, that she broke the law. And a court would need to make that determination.

 

And she does not need intent.. fml.

"But what's important.. let's not railroad her until we know beyond a reasonable doubt, that she broke the law. And a court would need to make that determination."

 

You can literally watch the video tape, hell the stills have been posted earlier, I'd say that way surpasses the threshold for reasonable doubt. So it is not railroading her if she is guilty. SHE IS GUILTY.

 

 

For those of you playing the home game, to render a gun a paperweight the ATF requires 2 cuts through the receiver that remove material (don't remember off the top of my head how much think like a 1/4 inch), generally they recommend a plasma cutter. Also, realize this "rule" of 2 cuts and missing material is literally something they made up from whole cloth based on people reassembling demilled receivers and the ATF thinking it was "too easy".

 

If the barrel is still attached to a long gun and you cut it shorter then 16 inches with the receiver intact, congratulations you've just committed a felony.*

 

*exceptions being if you have a tax stamp or if you have the required licenses. If you REMOVE the barrel from the receiver first, then yes you can cut it just don't have it anywhere near the receiver afterward or it can be considered constructive intent. And yes the ATF "laws" are really capricious, weird, and generally nonsensical. This is the same government organization that once classified a shoe-string as a machine gun.

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The laws are written that way on purpose. To ensure LEO's have the authority and justification to stop anyone suspected of making guns more deadly. Specificity and exceptions are what make laws skirtable. ATF has likely never prosecuted someone for this crime when they were trying to destroy the weapon. Ya know, defacing money is a criminal offense too. Shall we imprison our kids when they tear a dollar?

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The laws are written that way on purpose. To ensure LEO's have the authority and justification to stop anyone suspected of making guns more deadly. Specificity and exceptions are what make laws skirtable. ATF has likely never prosecuted someone for this crime when they were trying to destroy the weapon. Ya know, defacing money is a criminal offense too. Shall we imprison our kids when they tear a dollar?

The law is the law, there is no "in the spirit" clause.

 

She didn't destroy the firearm she cut the barrel shorter which is ILLEGAL.

 

Just how do you make a firearm "more deadly"? I know for a fact that a shorter barrel on a rifle does not do that what so ever, nor does the size of the magazine or the type of stock or grip.

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It makes it more concealable and easier to swing around in close quarters.

It also renders a .223 a glorified holepunch. The.223/5.56 nato needs a certain amount of speed to function correctly, fragmentation and velocity are what create the non permanent and permanent wound channel. She may have lessened the weapons ability to do damage, that isn’t the point here. It all comes down to what tha atf calls “constructive intent”, and they fuck people with it fairly frequently. Like I posted earlier, if you’re planning to build a pistol ar and collect the upper first, then simply put that upper in a safe(or in close proximity) with a complete carbine...guilty of “constructive intent”, people have had their lives absolutely fucked over it without knowingly breaking the law. The exact same rules relate to the sbr, rules state the receiver be cut twice FIRST, then whatever else, or...”constructive intent”. She’s guilty as sin and doesn’t deserve a pass based on stupidity.

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It makes it more concealable and easier to swing around in close quarters.

Agree.

 

It does make it easier to conceal and shorter M4 style rifles come in SBR form for low visibility close range style engagement.

 

Dummy was protesting and was ignorant of a law. Most of us are ignorant to many laws.

 

If the system wants to prosecute then she has no excuse or defense. “Ignorance is no excuse.” (Video proof of) So it then becomes a discussion of leniency, or whos lawyer can spin the best yarn.

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You wouldn't. Go post a video of yourself grinding a gun in half and see. Just do it in the spirit of destroying the weapon and do a better job since you know better.

 

lol.. it's a trap.

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Another example is speeding. Do you believe every cop should be obligated to ticket every car they pull over? It's a good reason to pull people over. If it was minor they can give warning. Also they will see if inebriated, dangerous, underage, or otherwise worth arresting/ticketing

Speed limits are artificially low anyway. When the U.S. interstate system first opened in the late 1950s there were no speed limits. Eventually, speed limits were added but those limits were based on the average speed of vehicles traveling on those roads and not some arbitrarily picked number. Now, numbers are played with constantly and speed traps pop up around the areas where higher speeds transition into lower speeds.

 

My little town is infamous for being a speed trap. Once upon a time (before DUI/DWI laws became so strict) we had a deadly intersection just west of town. After the drunk driving "fad" of the early 1980s was quelled, the city kept working the area because of "muh safety!".

 

Some five years ago we got a new police chief (former OKC cop, ex-army, good dude) who abruptly ordered his officers to quit working the area. He's good friends with my son-in-law and my stepson so one day when when stopped in the yard to visit them I asked him why he quit working the speed trap. Dude looked me straight in the eye and said, "There's $185,000 in fines that the city collected but can't explain the whereabouts of to the state - I'm not going to be part of that."

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Isn't a low velocity bullet more fatal?  Something to do with not exiting the body maybe?  So maybe that, in addition to it being more capable of close quarters combat.  But this particular rifle would lose it's ability to auto chamber the next round.  This would make it less deadly as it could take more than one bullet to kill.  

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The law is the law, there is no "in the spirit" clause.

 

She didn't destroy the firearm she cut the barrel shorter which is ILLEGAL.

 

Just how do you make a firearm "more deadly"? I know for a fact that a shorter barrel on a rifle does not do that what so ever, nor does the size of the magazine or the type of stock or grip.

 

 

It makes it more concealable and easier to swing around in close quarters.

 

 

Tell me how that is MORE deadly?

 

Didn't say it was more deadly. Side by side probably not. You said it doesn't what so ever, so I gave other reasons. But now that you bring that up, arguably, you can more easily conceal it and pass security scrutiny.  Then when in action, it's easier to swing around like an Uzi made for trench clearing. You know.....

 

 

 

She will never go to trial for this, but not for the reason given that she's is a 'liberal' W ever TF this means. No district attorney in his right mind will touch it. It's a looser. A jury will NEVER convict if they do, and they know it. It's total bullshit. There are lots of laws broken and the 'criminal' never pursued. Know when you are beaten.

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:lol:

 

Well there should be safe rooms on every forum. You're in yours and... too funny.

 

Oh i venture out, i just aint a take my ball and go home cuz someone spouts crazy shit at me. I actually encourage it 

 

My wife gets so mad cuz i watch both,  way the fuck far left ,, and way the fuck far right,, "news" TV programs,, switching back and forth between them.. Cuz if you don't listen to the hate they are spewing,  how will you ever find out,,  if what they want,,  might be what you want. 

 

 

 

 

  I don't give a shit if he's dead,, next election i'm writing in Pat Paulsen ,, Washington coast representing 

 

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Isn't a low velocity bullet more fatal?  Something to do with not exiting the body maybe? 

 

Not exactly. A large, slow projectile that was designed as such is quite deadly. A fast, small projectile is quite deadly. Large and slow projectiles are designed to expand at low speeds and transfer energy to smash bone and make the largest permanent wound cavity possible. Small and fast projectiles are primarily designed for fragmentation, producing massive temporary wound cavities, causing what amounts to liquified organs that are in the near vicinity of the wound channel. Now, let’s slow the big, heavy projectile...still plenty useful due to being designed for smashing and large permanent channels. Now, slow the small light projectile below fragmentation, which will happen quickly in a sub 10” barrel. There’s no fragmentation, thus no explosive temporary wound cavity and a smaller than .22lr permanent channel and you can see where this is going...distinctively less potential for damage.

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