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Single entrance security sounds good to anyone living where it snows. Tropical areas and southern states have open campus layouts that make this unrealistic.

 

Why would it be unrealistic?

 

Thurston High school had a huge sprawling open area around its campus. Front entrance had close to 600 yards of open space. It took very little to create security point entry into the school. Campus is also locked and secured during school hours with Armed guards patrolling. 

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Why would it be unrealistic?

 

Thurston High school had a huge sprawling open area around its campus. Front entrance had close to 600 yards of open space. It took very little to create security point entry into the school. Campus is also locked and secured during school hours with Armed guards patrolling. 

 

Tie school safety to infrastructure bill... boom.

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I'm not all that against the idea of great, sound, responsible teachers bringing a handgun to the classroom. But I do admit, those tend to be the teachers who don't want any guns allowed in schools. I'm quite concerned when I think about the demographic who is most likely to jump at the opportunity.

 

Suicide by teach will be real.

 

Stolen guns will be real.

 

Those would be acceptable consequences if it eliminated mass shootings, but it will only reduce them. So is it worth it? I dunno. Maybe.

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Better screening before owning a gun, current system is ineffective, yes, guards at school or cops, teachers have enough on their plate. Violent tendencies, mental health issue, needs to be looked at, dv, all of these need to be looked at. But if any school officials or teachers want to volunteer that's okay, as long as the district, parents, teacher association and unions are okay. I think Trumpcheetos goal is 20 %, doable. Heck, I'm a landloard and anyone that wants to rent from me requires reference from previous landlords, and nationwide background check, like 40.00, I don't pay too much attn. To credit check, most people have bad credit. I also look at how long you been working for your company. I do these because I can be liable for renting out to someone who let's say was a molester. So if I can do this, why can't our govt. Come out with streamlined background check that works? Recently, the military admitted that they have failed to report vets who had a violent tendency or dv to authorities. I'm not saying at all to take away 2nd amendment rights, but there are systems in place that has holes and failing to do its job of keeping bad ppl. From owning a gun.

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Why would it be unrealistic?

 

Thurston High school had a huge sprawling open area around its campus. Front entrance had close to 600 yards of open space. It took very little to create security point entry into the school. Campus is also locked and secured during school hours with Armed guards patrolling.

Here, every classroom has two doors that open to outside. No hallways or "indoors" aside from classrooms and cafeterias. No front door at all.

 

Still, not saying it's a bad idea where it works, just won't cover everyone.

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Here, every classroom has two doors that open to outside. No hallways or "indoors" aside from classrooms and cafeterias. No front door at all.

 

 

Same here. Only 3 schools within the Lane district have a interior breeze way layout. Everything else is open corridor 2 entry setup. Thurston is open breezeway. They spared no expense figuring out a way to secure it.

 

It can be done.  

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(It seems that no one has asked if this is even a good idea either, after all it isn't their job is it?) :

 

Depends on the region. This has been a topic for longer than the last couple weeks. There are teachers willing to take on the added training while there is also the contrary who do not. This is not passing the buck. I am pretty certain that phrase doesn't apply to this topic. Is it their job? Well that's up to the school board to define what their job is. If a district decides that teachers can and the teacher be willing to participate in training for such things. Then it can be defined as "Their Job.". No one would be forcing unwilling participants.

 

(If any idiot can have a gun there must be more than a few incompetent teachers that feel pressured or that they need to be armed and really they shouldn't.) :

 

I agree that no idiot should be able to just raise a hand and say "I" to receive such a responsibility.  I don't think this system would allow such a lax approach. 

 

 (What's needed is better security at schools so this never happens.):

 

I totally agree. The N.U.T. and A.F.T. have both railed against security several times when the idea was couched. We secure the lowest lifeforms on the planet known as Politicians but for some reason everyone starts acting like we have no ability to protect children with secure measures at 1/4 the scale currently protecting pedantic assholes. Makes no sense to leave school as soft targets. 

 

(Maybe screening and armed security at a single entrance.):

 

This setup should be as we do with military bases. You have choke point entrances and exits from the grounds with security measures. As at any courthouse they have this same setup as well. Along with visual aids showing people who are restricted from campus. 

 

 

( Guns brought to school to counter guns brought to school??? Seems like going backwards.):

 

Why does this seem as a backward thought? What are your "Most Important" people in your nation protected with? Sticks and kinds words? Or are you speaking generally about a teacher having the gun? In that case it still comes down to adequate teachers willing to make the strides to take on the extra role of E.R.T.

 

 

Well first it's a school, there should be no need for firearms there. (I know... pie in the sky, right?) Now it may come to this, but I would rather see other options rather than the teacher be the first (and last) line of defense. Something long before someone gets in and threatens a classroom. By then it's a little too late, don't you think?

 

What if an entire school of teachers refuses to carry any firearms? For whatever personal reason. What if in a large school of dozens of classrooms only one teacher agrees to carry a firearm? Now the whole idea of arming the teachers to protect students is moot. Back to square one. Maybe this should be dropped as a viable idea unless teachers are forced to arm themselves. There are going to be gaps if voluntary. Hell there may even be a huge backlash.

 

Large campuses can be fenced in and security cameras and patrols used. Once in you are free to travel around inside like an airport. All legal students carry an ID and bags scanned, random searches.... call it the price of a free safe education. Visitors checked in through a choke point.

 

 

 

The trouble with all this is America becom(ing) an armed camp.

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What if there's a shooting at a particular school and there's an armed teacher and alarm goes off that there's a shooting at the school. Does that teacher leave her class room to respond to the shooter? Then that leaves her class room w out a teacher to protect the students. What if there are 2 or more shooters and only one teacher? What if the teacher is only armed with a handgun and the shooter or shooters have ar15s or other similar semi auto rifles and have bullet proof vest like the bank of America bank America arm robbery.

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Sarcasm font:. You're right Mike, a fence and some cameras will solve all the problems.

 

Most schools already have BOTH of those things, see how much that helps?

 

 

I'm guessing the ones that don't have proper security have had the mass shootings, right? By proper security, I mean more than a fake sign that says video monitoring and patrols. I haven't heard of any teachers groups asking to be armed. Having them armed is just a knee jerk response by non teachers. I can't see anyone who would wish to be armed who isn't already, let alone a teacher around children.  

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I think there will be many teachers who will resist this. You can't make someone carry a firearm others will shake head and see it as the next best thing. Mental cases will see it as death by teacher

 

Security should be increased and teachers given the option to CCW, if they qualify a strict set of test and rules. Not everyone has the demeanor to carry and use a weapon. 

 

Especially limp wristed liberal teachers. 

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What if there's a shooting at a particular school and there's an armed teacher and alarm goes off that there's a shooting at the school. Does that teacher leave her class room to respond to the shooter? Then that leaves her class room w out a teacher to protect the students. What if there are 2 or more shooters and only one teacher? What if the teacher is only armed with a handgun and the shooter or shooters have ar15s or other similar semi auto rifles and have bullet proof vest like the bank of America bank America arm robbery.

 

Teachers should secure their area if they are in charge of students, and only if there is no escape route. Teachers who are not handling students have the option to go in or not. But again, I think more trained security, but guys or gals who are not going to hide, should handle security. 

 

And why does everyone think the AR is the end all, be all invincible gun? Shit, an AK 47 will do more damage and is more user friendly in close quarter combat. Handguns are even more of an advantage at close range. 

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Teachers should secure their area if they are in charge of students, and only if there is no escape route. Teachers who are not handling students have the option to go in or not. But again, I think more trained security, but guys or gals who are not going to hide, should handle security.

 

And why does everyone think the AR is the end all, be all invincible gun? Shit, an AK 47 will do more damage and is more user friendly in close quarter combat. Handguns are even more of an advantage at close range.

..somewhat true with handguns, but assault like rifles or sporting rifles fire faster and farther.
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So Trump tells the politicians they're afraid of the NRA.

 

Is he playing to the media audience for the headlines cause he's the master troll or is this the maverick politician at play?

 

Or both?

..I think he's catering to both. He is a salesman at heart.
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..somewhat true with handguns, but assault like rifles or sporting rifles fire faster and farther.

 

Farther? I guess so. Faster? No. The gun only fires as fast as the skill of the person behind the trigger. 

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I'm guessing the ones that don't have proper security have had the mass shootings, right? By proper security, I mean more than a fake sign that says video monitoring and patrols. I haven't heard of any teachers groups asking to be armed. Having them armed is just a knee jerk response by non teachers. I can't see anyone who would wish to be armed who isn't already, let alone a teacher around children.

 

How’s it a knee jerk response when it’s been discussed since before sandy hoax?

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Very true. It's an option.

 

Yes, it takes a REALISTIC person to feel that they need to carry a gun IN THIS DAY AND AGE OF CRIMINALITY. Some are just not mentally capable of this. :lol:

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Farther? I guess so. Faster? No. The gun only fires as fast as the skill of the person behind the trigger.

 

First thing I thought. Jerry Miculek would disagree about the faster, he makes an S&W revolver sound automatic.

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