Cuz Merica

[Dguy210]

tr8er, I defy you to find 17 “completely innocent teenagers” in a fucking county, much less a school. Does it really matter that it’s a high school vs any other location? I would say not. A primary school, I’m on board, you’ll find actual innocent youth. Teenagers are damn near adult so should be looked at as such. Would you, john, etc really give a fuck if it wasn’t the taboo of a school? Not really. None of you showed even half the outrage for vegas as you did for this one...I guaranfuckintee you there were way more than 17 innocent casualties in Vegas. In all actuality, the world is so populated with humans, none of it REALLY matters. It sounds callous but it’s true. Not one person here has grandstanded over child abuse, starving children, little girls in Africa being tortured and having their genetalls mutilated, the list goes on for miles when it comes to large mistreatment of youth. Why are they no big deal but 17 upper middle class kids are?

I did make the argument that school shootings were statistically insignificant.

 

As I said before it was flashy and attention getting, basically "missing white girl" syndrome writ large.

 

Edit after reading VTR's post below: Not disagreeing with your main points at all just clarifying.

Edited February 24, 2018 by Dguy210

[VFR800]

Not one person here has grandstanded over child abuse.

 

Not in any way disagreeing with the main points of your post hence why only quoting this part,I actually have ranted etc about child abuse more than once.

 

Not sure if in this thread but definitely did recently in one of the two other threads insomno's or randomness one - cannot recall right now.

[datzenmike]

Wikipedia is, and remains one of the most inaccurate sources of open source information on the planet.

 

Anyone can post information, and misinformation on wikipedia.

 

Im right, Wikipedia is wrong !!!!

 

This sounds like misinformation. It's definitely vastly more right than wrong. It has provisions for corrections of content and people tend to be more truthful that untruthful. It's not the most inaccurate source, though it can contain errors not yet corrected.

 

Mass shootings and banned weaponry would need to be properly defined. If 8 or more means mass shootings but 7 people are shot every week by a single gunman, technically it doesn't meet the requirement. If Wiki Australia is inaccurate then you should add your correction to it so you are both right..  

[tr8er]

And I went off on the Vegas shooting for sure. You do the search. I said the same shit I am now. But Also, the point made was mass shootings vs. handgun deaths. Far less presumed innocence in handgun deaths. As well, we eliminate one shooter from a sidearm killing, or one shooter from a mass killing. I'll choose the mass killer myself.

[Draker]

And I went off on the Vegas shooting for sure. You do the search. I said the same shit I am now. But Also, the point made was mass shootings vs. handgun deaths. Far less presumed innocence in handgun deaths. As well, we eliminate one shooter from a sidearm killing, or one shooter from a mass killing. I'll choose the mass killer myself.

Still asking why no leaks from Vegas.. 

 

Who owns the upper floors of the hotel?

[racerx]

Vegas, sandy hook, Florida, southern California, child abuse, neglect, all are tragic and something has to be done. Some of us are stuck in trying to be right about wordings, acronyms, etc. That's minutia, compared to all of the innocent lives, these teens will never experience senior prom, boyfriend s, girlfriends, its just tragic, too many peeps drop the ball. If we all can't learn from this tragedy then its all in vain and will continue to happen until we realized its all been about ego or our perception of our rights vs. The good of the community. I personally don't believe that peoples rights should be taken away in buying or owning guns. However, the current system h

That's in place is broken and needs to be fixed or else peeps that should not be able to own a gun or ar15 will get a hold of one and this kind of tragedy will continue.

[Draker]

[Jesse C.]

 

I just love the crazed look in her eyes! 

[paradime]

tr8er, I defy you to find 17 “completely innocent teenagers” in a fucking county, much less a school. Does it really matter that it’s a high school vs any other location? I would say not. A primary school, I’m on board, you’ll find actual innocent youth. Teenagers are damn near adult so should be looked at as such. Would you, john, etc really give a fuck if it wasn’t the taboo of a school? Not really. None of you showed even half the outrage for vegas as you did for this one...I guaranfuckintee you there were way more than 17 innocent casualties in Vegas. In all actuality, the world is so populated with humans, none of it REALLY matters. It sounds callous but it’s true. Not one person here has grandstanded over child abuse, starving children, little girls in Africa being tortured and having their genetalls mutilated, the list goes on for miles when it comes to large mistreatment of youth. Why are they no big deal but 17 upper middle class kids are?

 

Disappointing. The word "innocent" implies without guilt. You can say a gunman opened fire at Shady Acres Rest Home killing 17 perfectly  innocent senior citizens, meaning they did nothing to deserve being killed. And to think, yesterday you got your ass in a bunch over people using the term "assault rifle". I don't understand your logic that at 14 a child is innocent, but at 15 they don't deserve your sympathy because? Dude you lost me there, but at least now I understand why you assume nobody would give a shit about a mass shooting if it didn't happen at a school. 

 

Saying none of us thinks child abuse, starving children, little girls in Africa being mutilated is no big deal would be an insult if you didn't sound so ridiculous having said it. You're right though, saying none of it REALLY matters because there are too many people doesn't sounds callous, it sounds nihilistic, bordering on psychopathic. We're not talking about letting psychos thin the herd, or abusing, starving, and mutilating children, we're talking about regulating firearms in an attempt to reduce mass shootings. Why are you spinning this shit all the way into Africa?

[datzenmike]

 

"No shit"

[240zness]

Sheriff Israel??

 

 

 

[racerx]

So why are people demonizing sherrif Israel?

[tr8er]

Cuz nazi

[VFR800]

The matter of "innocence" and it's dilution as one ages in relation to those people being killed or seriously injured in a mass shooting is a saddening perspective to try and argue no matter what "side" of the gun debate one is on.

 

A shooter walking into any place be it a concert in Vegas or a school has no right to unleash bullets upon said people for any reason,in law and morals it has zero justification.

 

Even IF someone in a group was a killer or a bank robber or a drug dealer,the shooter does not have the moral or legal right or authority to kill or maim them.

 

It's the psycho nut jobs who hear the voices etc that God told them to kill the " bad people" who end up unfit for trial and spend essentially the rest of their lives in a mental institution because it is not accepted to community and legislators that there's ever a time where it's ok to do so.

 

As Mike mentioned teenagers have a lot of time ahead of them potentially and so it maybe tugs at heart strings for more of us when we hear about a school,I would say that Vegas shooting is equally FUCKED for how bad it is on a moral scale seeing how those people are there to enjoy themselves in some clean music enjoying fun = life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

Kids at a school ostensibly are the good kids,not truants off doing some other untoward activities and even if they had done things "wrong" it does not merit them being shot to pieces cause some mental defective who the authorities did not deal with within the system properly in time be it due to poor funding or incompetence (or whatever other variable they'd use to account for the cock up is)  managed to carry out their plans.

 

"We the People" and the 2nd Amendment works to the idea of Rule of Law or governance by laws and not living by anyone deciding at a drop of a hat what is right and wrong and who lives or dies.

 

The subject of other atrocious shit that humans do to each other in other aspects like genital mutilation or child/human trafficking etc is off topic for a "Cuz Merica"  thread like how Gato says no FML in Insomniacs.

 

However that does not mean that anyone discussing the loss of US lives in mass shootings explicitly rules out having an opinion or view towards those other issues or values other human life less or more by degrees or outright.

 

Simply means they are staying on topic for the Gun Debate.

 

All of the above said with respect intended towards to all members who are participating in the discussion and not meant pejoratively at all to anyone.

[Ratwagon1600]

If Wiki Australia is inaccurate then you should add your correction to it so you are both right..

 

I’ll post fact in Cuz mike.

 

Why would I need Wikipedia when I have a “source of truth” in this thread ?

 

#cuz=nofakenews

[Mattndew76]

I’ll post fact in Cuz mike.

 

Why would I need Wikipedia when I have a “source of truth” in this thread ?

 

#cuz=nofakenews

Please set me straight.

 

I would like to see where Wiki is wrong? I googled-Bing each incident cited by wiki and each event happened as listed. Articles had more details but Wiki wasn’t incorrect.

[john510]

tr8er, I defy you to find 17 “completely innocent teenagers” in a fucking county, much less a school. Does it really matter that it’s a high school vs any other location? I would say not. A primary school, I’m on board, you’ll find actual innocent youth. Teenagers are damn near adult so should be looked at as such. Would you, john, etc really give a fuck if it wasn’t the taboo of a school? Not really. None of you showed even half the outrage for vegas as you did for this one...I guaranfuckintee you there were way more than 17 innocent casualties in Vegas. In all actuality, the world is so populated with humans, none of it REALLY matters. It sounds callous but it’s true. Not one person here has grandstanded over child abuse, starving children, little girls in Africa being tortured and having their genetalls mutilated, the list goes on for miles when it comes to large mistreatment of youth. Why are they no big deal but 17 upper middle class kids are?

Obviously you missed out on the Vegas shooting discussion.I have to say there is some warped thinking in your statement.Just my opinion and contribution to the circle of gun control discussion.

[720inOlyWa]

Like so many of of my friends and acquaintances (but not all), I felt a ball fisted sense of dread and anxiety when the orange crested shitbird took office. Over the past year, little has happened to relieve my resentments. I don’t normally live this way on a day to day basis so I think that subconsciously, I was looking to a way to relieve the pressure. And I won’t lie to you: I felt like lashing out. But what can a peon like me do, beyond joining the Women’s March with full gusto? I felt a long dormant revolutionary urge welling up inside. My devious and vengeful self was awakening, somehow unsatisfied with just the lawful approach.

Feeling this way one day last spring, I was struck by a tiny lightning bolt as I stood in the checkout line at the Safeway store. There on the little magazine rack, prominently displayed, was a short stack of National Enquirers. The vile, despicable Enquirer, the buddy pal of the orange crested shitbird himself. The enabler rag of all that is evil, feeding the mouthbreathers lies and propoganda on a weekly basis. The headline read something like ‘Hillary sodomizes alien, Bill is in a jealous rage!’ with the superhead of ‘Is that any way to say hello?’ It was something like that anyway, or perhaps even worse. Whatever the headline, suddenly my simmering resentment had a focal point.

I removed a copy from the rack and feigned interest for a moment before returning it to the rack upside down and backwards so that all that was displayed is the pointless back cover advertisement for ceramic birds of prey, now reading upside down. Finally, my dark side had been fed and simultaneously a dam had broken. I felt so much better after dishing out a little local market-vandal based payback to this disgusting waste of ink and paper. But somehow this singular act just wasn’t enough. After repeating it a few times I needed a bigger hit. I decided to file a customer complaint with the store. I asked the checker in a most polite manner, who I might offer my complaints to. She gave me an email address and a 1-800 number.

I emailed my complaints to Safeway Customer Care and included my phone number, politely encouraging a call. Not three weeks later, I recieved a call from them. The pleasant and perky young woman on the phone was obviously scrambling to grasp the specific nature of my complaint as we exchanged pleasantries.  “Now I sense that you are upset about the magazine racks at the checkstands?“ she asked gingerly. “No, I just want you to remove the National Enquirer from your store.“ Clearly, I had no hope that I could have everything I wanted with a single stroke, but I didn’t feel like dancing so it was worth a try. “So you do not care for the National Enquirer?“ I was getting the feeling that she was rapidly locking in on the possibility that this was a kook call- or worse, an old coot complaint. I also felt any hope for a desired result slipping away by the second. It was time to lay my cards on the table. “It is simple, really. I just can’t stand the sight of garbage right next to where I purchase my food.“ The logic of my arguement, no matter how audicious, rocked her for a moment. There was a pregnant pause. I sensed that she was scrambling for a stiuational fix and coming up empty.  All hope for a civil resolution to my cause was gone now. She gently rebuffed me, offering profuse thanks for my input while sincerely assuaging my concerns all along the way as she lead our conversation directly to the door.

And now I was spring loaded for a jihadi conversion. My Irish blood was up. This shit was on. 

Over the next two weeks, I refined my technique to the point where I could inconspicuously flip the Enquirer on every checkstand, plus the self-service island, without drawing the attention of the checkers or the store manager. I figured out when the new issue would be posted and hit it early and often. This was war.

One fine summer day, after flipping the new edition throughout the entire store- the one with the headline “How Trump will Save The World from the FBI!“ with the superhead “It’s All True!“ or something like that, I noticed that the checkers were fighting back meekly. Some previously flipped copies were hastily and haphazardly returned to face forward. Those were, of course, re-targeted immediately, General Schwartzkof style.  As I processed through the checkstand with my grocery purchases, I flipped the last stack of Enquirers with  consummate skill when I heard a womans voice from behind me: “What exactly are you doing?“

Caught red handed, I turned to discover a pleasant faced woman, about my age, entering the line right behind me, scouring me with a rather concerned look. I wondered if she had noticed me flipping the entire store. Maybe she was a Safeway detective, collaring the vermin who was killing their National Enquirer sales. At this point, I just decided to go for broke. While we waited for the customer ahead of us to finish I explained to her, in a quiet voice, that I could not abide the sight of garbage next to where I purchase my food. Bolstered by repetition, my rationalization for this indefenseable act almost sounded like The Truth now.  I waited for whatever reaction I surely deserved. After a thoughtful pause, her face broke into a beaming mischievious smile. She leaned forward over her basket and in a low voice she said “Oh, I like that!“

Over the next few weeks, I noticed that the checkers were slowly giving up the fight. New editions would sit all week without being returned to face up. As this development unfolded, I noticed that often, the brand new editions were being flipped before I could get to them. And that’s when I realized that the ELA- the Enquirer Liquidation Army- was born. By then, the store was reducing the number of stands that even carried the Enquirer or the Globe to just the self service island and that edition was almost always ways flipped before I could get to it. I started visiting other grocery stores.

She must have told others because I went into the west side Albertsons one day only to find the entire store was already flipped. On another ocassion, I discovered that the Frog Pond Grocery- a tabloid bonanza- was already half flipped, so I finished the job. As the war spreads across the city, it is safe to say that Olympia market revenues from poison pen tabloids are probably down a bit this year. But we have only just begun. Maybe it is time to spread the word and scale up.

It doesn’t restore the democracy, but every flip soothes the soul and feels like a tiny blow for freedom. I am not advocating anything for you, but it is really easy to join the ELA if you want to. All you need is a dose of open resentment and to dust off a few of your old teen age vandalism skills. 

It could do a heart good to start seeing stores flipped all over the place.


Just sayin‘


flipper general

[datzenmike]

I’ll post fact in Cuz mike.

 

Why would I need Wikipedia when I have a “source of truth” in this thread ?

 

#cuz=nofakenews

 

 

But you haven't posted any fact at all RW, just criticized Wiki and Mattndew for using it.  It's different when your country is criticized for being like the States. I have trouble with it too.

 

 

 

 

Wikipedia is, and remains one of the most inaccurate sources of open source information on the planet.

 

Anyone can post information, and misinformation on wikipedia.

 

Im right, Wikipedia is wrong !!!!

 

"I'm right, Wikipedia is wrong!!!" :lol: I'll admit that Wiki may have errors in it but in all fairness... "Anyone can post information, and misinformation on Cuz too"

 

[125 CSL]

OH THIS JUST KEEPS GROWING! 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/sources-coral-springs-police-upset-at-some-broward-deputies-for-not-entering-school/ar-BBJvA3b

 

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

[bananahamuck]

 Well i would like to say,, as i look across my kitchen table at the STACKS of medical / hospital bills many from the time of the one some of you so idealise as the "great health care reformer" ,, if i'm in safeway and see anything upside down or backwards...

 

I WILL BE STRAIGHTENING EVERY LAST FUCKING ONE OF THEM !! 

 

Not for that idiot Trump ,, for me and my youngest sons,,,  and the lies we were sold.

 

 

. My family has been put into collections 5 times since 2010 ,, ALL have been over health care payment disputes.

 

 But don't take my word for it.. Go to any life skills class in any elementary/middle/high school in thurston county and ask the parents ( No better yet TELL THEM ) what a god send ACA has been to them and their families healthcare affordability ..  If you have a cup,, i would wear it. 

 

 

 

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[datzenmike]

First of all.... CNN.

 

OH THIS JUST KEEPS GROWING! 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/sources-coral-springs-police-upset-at-some-broward-deputies-for-not-entering-school/ar-BBJvA3b

 

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

[125 CSL]

[john510]

WTF is that ? i want that 2 minutes of my life back.That told me nothing.Half of it is bleeped out.Didn't bother finishing it.

[racerx]

If you play it backwards,,,redrum, redrum, redrum.