Draker Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 /\...ok, but doesn't the school, district and so on must be okay with this before it happens? I'm not a lawyer, and I try not to play one on the interwebs. In Oregon, if it's private property and clearly marked as a gun free zone on the entrance, then no you can't. Most schools are public property, and I haven't ever seen a sign. However, I don't have kids and don't any time creeping around schools. Link to comment
racerx Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 /\...u answered ur comments. You don't have to be a lawyer to know that schools are heavy and laden with beaucracy. Therefore, before any major procedural change happens in a school, there's a check off, coordination, approval, like unions will obviously play a key role, parents and students. Heck if you volunteer at a school in my area, u will need background check, health screener, etc. Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 If you go to any Washington school district website it says no weapons of any kind are allowed,, I'm positive Oregon is the same . There are also MANY signs around inside the schools sayng the same thing. We have had a police officer at our middle and high schools for at least 10 years.. They park their cruiser right in front of main entrance and i think they have their own closet they occupy . I believe they were put there more for gang activity that is really bad to the north of us.. Giving a teacher a gun is a very bad idea,i know quite a lot of school teachers personally and i can say i don't want a teacher carrying a gun,,, ever. .. It's like when the state armed the park-narcs at the beach,, i heard even my brother-in-law tell of being at the end of one... If you knew my BNL you would understand how ludicrous that is. . Link to comment
240zness Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Ban gun free zones.. don't like bans tho. I think the threat of security will go a long way to deter shooters. If we believe the stories as they are released to us. Mike saying gun owners want sloppy laws and definitions is like saying millionaires like sloppy tax code for loopholes that they spend money to take advantage of. Everyone would probably rather have simple, clear, not run away laws and tax code. Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Did you notice how quick "someone" was to say he doesn't have time to creep around high schools,,,,,,,,,, with the amount of young hardbodies in those things,,,,, everyone has enough time. . :hyper: 3 Link to comment
q-tip Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 The 2nd doesn't say 'We the people'. The start of the Constitution does, in big letters. 4 Link to comment
240zness Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Obama had a democratic house and senate and did NOTHING to ban guns. Can we stop demonizing the other side and look at ourself for a change? Obama may not have legislated gun control, blamed the republicans maybe, but he was instrumental in advancing the narrative we have about response to these events. In my opinion took advantage and didn't waste a good crisis' sorry. Even at the basic level , not including conspiracy 1 Link to comment
240zness Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 No blame, was a tough 8 years to watch Link to comment
datzenmike Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 We the people. First three fucking words of the document that contains our laws. But I suppose mike with have some alternative enturpritation of what each of those words means to better suit his poor argument. The 2nd doesn't say 'We the people'. The start of the Constitution does, in big letters. Pretty sure it was the 2nd amendment quotes that were posted and all comments are about that. At least mine are. Try to stay on track. The Bible is thousands of years old and last revised 400 years ago and impossible to understand and follow even in English. How many christian religions follow the Bible but interpret it differently? Why shouldn't something 250 years old be different? The flowery phrases and words are beautiful but harken back to another time of simplicity. Two hundred fifty years later things are not simple and the clarity is obscured some and require scholarly debate. Link to comment
john510 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Read my wiki link a few posts back. It's pretty clear. Actually it's pretty vague.With my right to bear arms can i have a rocket launcher,grenades,flamethrower,nuclear weapon etc. ? why not a fully automatic AR if it's my right to bear arms ? Link to comment
john510 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Exactly. Gun owners want it to remain confusing and open to interpretation. Generally it says the right for the people to keep and bear arms is to be there if needed for the militia in defense of freedom. Keep in mind this was almost 250 years ago and the government had trouble fielding a standing army and relied on the ability of citizens to swell the ranks including providing their own weapons. Today the government has a well armed army and a militia is not needed and a National Guard is more than enough. I think gun owners see the 2nd being made more clear as to it's intent as a threat to ownership and it may be, if enough people are pissed off enough about gun violence. Keep in mind, amendments can be repealed or amended. Gun advocates should work harder to plug up the problems with guns rather than screaming 2nd amendment like it will protect them forever. All you need is 2/3 for and amendment change and there are a lot of useless knee jerk cattle voters out there. But hey! if you want to keep beating your chest and waving the constitution go ahead. A better choice is fixing or working toward fixing how guns get in the wrong hands so non owners are reassured. Uhhh yeah it is for the reasons given. You should be armed if you want, but not as the 2nd is written. This is why it has to be interpreted, it's vague. The 'right to be armed' is cherry picking and ignoring it was meant for militia. An outdated concept that has likely morphed into the National Guard. Even British law from which the US was at least partly derived, allows citizens to be armed in theory but was more about axes and knives. Arms are any weapons. Mike,why are injecting common sense into this argument ? Link to comment
racerx Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Actually it's pretty vague.With my right to bear arms can i have a rocket launcher,grenades,flamethrower,nuclear weapon etc. ? why not a fully automatic AR if it's my right to bear arms ?...yep, that's the thing, it was written like over 200 years ago and they had muskets. 1 Link to comment
125 CSL Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 The latest from the fake news network---which by the way the woman from the NRA and Rubio handled the situation anyway. ,...as the scripting this is not the first time CNN has done this,....one of the better examples is CNN giving Clinton the questions before the debate with Trump. Shooting survivor claims CNN scripted town hall meeting “CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted,” Colton Haab, a Junior ROTC member who shielded other students from gunfire at the Parkland, Fla., school, told WPLG-TV, an ABC affiliate in Miami, on Wednesday evening. “I expected to be able to ask my questions and give my opinion on my questions,” the 17-year-old Haab told the station, adding that he wanted to talk about using armed military veterans to guard schools. He eventually declined to participate in Wednesday’s town hall meeting. “I don’t think that it’s going get anything accomplished,” he said. “It’s not gonna ask the true questions that all the parents and teachers and students have.” 1 Link to comment
racerx Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Actually that high school student made rubio look like patsy for the nra. Rubio could not give him or the audience a straight answer, typical politician who gets tons of money from the nra or other lobbies that affects the integrity of a dire situation like the shooting. Just my opinion. Link to comment
tr8er Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 No way around it. If elected representatives are to represent their constituents, they must reject campaign donations, and other monies from lobbyests groups, corporations, and others. They shall be funded equally from all constituents. Aka, tax money. Only. Link to comment
tr8er Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 And Rubio looked exactly as you stated. A paid off puppet more interested in shielding the NRA, than his electorates. Link to comment
125 CSL Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 considering the cnn town hall was a set up to make both look as bad as possible,....both did ok. Every CNN event is a set up,....the question is why was Rubio and the NRA lady even there. 1 Link to comment
Draker Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 CNN is total and complete trash. Top to bottom.. inside and out. Trash. They've been caught so many times.. even in a PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! 3 Link to comment
125 CSL Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 If you create a monster, some times that monster will strike back. Just like if you beat a dog sooner or later the dog will bite. Add in the already existing post about the drugs involved. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200754714.html longtime friend, school shooter Nikolas Cruz was lonely, volatile, ostracized http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/19/missing-fathers-and-americas-broken-boys-vast-majority-mass-shooters-come-from-broken-homes.html Missing fathers and America's broken boys - the vast majority of mass shooters come from broken homes Link to comment
Draker Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Was discovered Florida school had armed campus resource officer... and he heard the gunshots, but didn't go into the school. Link to comment
racerx Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 /\...so what does this tell u about having armed staff at school. Another thing is will they be armed w a pea shooter vs an a semi auto assault rifle? Link to comment
Dolomite Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Rubio and the NotRealAmericans association looked to me like they were in on it the whole time. No legit republican or legit rights group would willingly go into the situation they did. They’d know it was a setup the whole time and decline to participate. NotRealAmericans loves shit like that so they can fear monger in the opposite direction and drum up revenue, they don’t want an end to the war on 2A because they’d be out of a job. 2 Link to comment
Dolomite Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 /\...so what does this tell u about having armed staff at school. Another thing is will they be armed w a pea shooter vs an a semi auto assault rifle? Fake news, no such object as “semi auto assault rifle”. 4 Link to comment
john510 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Fake news, no such object as “semi auto assault rifle”. Why can't you guys just admit that those guns ARE assault style weapons ? Link to comment
Dolomite Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Why can't you guys just admit that those guns ARE assault style weapons ? Uhhh, because they aren’t, and insisting they are is disingenuous and ignorant. 1 Link to comment
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