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The bill of rights of the Constitution doesn't need amending or fine print, take it for what it is.

 

Don't need to arm EVERY teacher, specific security personnel could be armed and trained. The security guy at the Florida school was one of the first shot, if he had his own firearm and was trained to use it the who thing could have had a very different outcome.

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Fixed.

If you don’t really know what you’re talking about, what’s the point of talking? Assault rifle is a classification that has the intrinsic quality of being select fire, meaning capable of automatic fire with one squeeze and f the trigger. It’s a common talking point of liberal misinformationists to refer to any scary semiautomatic sporting carbine as assault rifle with the intent of fear mongering.

 

Hey, if he wants to regurgitate what he sees on TV, let him. 

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The bill of rights of the Constitution doesn't need amending or fine print, take it for what it is.

 

 

 

Exactly. Gun owners want it to remain confusing and open to interpretation. Generally it says the right for the people to keep and bear arms is to be there if needed for the militia in defense of freedom. Keep in mind this was almost 250 years ago and the government had trouble fielding a standing army and relied on the ability of citizens to swell the ranks including providing their own weapons. Today the government has a well armed army and a militia is not needed and a National Guard is more than enough. I think gun owners see the 2nd being made more clear as to it's intent as a threat to ownership and it may be, if enough people are pissed off enough about gun violence. Keep in mind, amendments can be repealed or amended. Gun advocates should work harder to plug up the problems with guns rather than screaming 2nd amendment like it will protect them forever. All you need is 2/3 for and amendment change and there are a lot of useless knee jerk cattle voters out there. But hey! if you want to keep beating your chest and waving the constitution go ahead. A better choice is fixing or working toward fixing how guns get in the wrong hands so non owners are reassured. 

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Armed security would suffice, I really don't feel that the teachers need to be armed, but, I also feel that they should have the option of arming themselves after proper vetting. 

 

But sadly, some school districts do not have the resources to hire professional security. In California, it is mostly due to piss poor governing and some serious dipshits running the schools. 

For example, he in San Diego, the school district is always running in the red and has to cut things out to make ends meet, but, they somehow find money to hire an Imam to teach kids about Islam and 

how to be more sensitive to Muslims. 

 

That's funny, I never saw a Priest or Rabbi come to school to teach us about tolerance. As for Atheist, most teachers are already doing that. 

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So few words,how does the pro gun crowd get what they get out of it ? this amendment needs some amending and some fine print.The "well regulated militia" part will never happen with a population of 300 million.

 

"The Right of the People" is not the militia, its the People. You and I 

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Uhhh yeah it is for the reasons given. You should be armed if you want, but not as the 2nd is written. This is why it has to be interpreted, it's vague. The 'right to be armed' is cherry picking and ignoring it was meant for militia. An outdated concept that has likely morphed into the National Guard. Even British law from which the US was at least partly derived, allows citizens to be armed in theory but was more about axes and knives. Arms are any weapons.

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It is not about guns or the 2nd. Amendment, never has been. Its about the drug companies who show commercials during the evening news. I have personal experience with Ritalin. We should have sued our local school district into oblivion.  Parents need to take control and quit giving their children drugs. They are children.

This is what needs to be addressed,

 

• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

• Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

• Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

• Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

• Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

• Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

• Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

• Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)

• Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)

• Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

• Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

• Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

• Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

• A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

• Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

• Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

• Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

• Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

• Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

• Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

• What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az?

• What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado?

• What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or?

• What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct?

 

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I don't think teachers should be armed. That's law enforcement job. A lot of assumptions that teachers are willing participants in this mind fuck. Of course, the union will have to be considered. This is definitely a " meet and confer" issue.

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I don't think teachers should be armed. That's law enforcement job. A lot of assumptions that teachers are willing participants in this mind fuck. Of course, the union will have to be considered. This is definitely a " meet and confer" issue.

There’s a Sheriff in Ohio that’s offered free training and ccw classes for teachers, he’s already had literally hundreds of interested teachers contact him. If they’re willing, why the hell not? If they’re already trusted with your kids, why not trust them to defend them. You can probably even set the kids part aside, I bet most teachers would want to save their own asses in an active shooter situation, so saving the kids would be a positive side effect of teachers protecting themselves.

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There’s a Sheriff in Ohio that’s offered free training and ccw classes for teachers, he’s already had literally hundreds of interested teachers contact him. If they’re willing, why the hell not? If they’re already trusted with your kids, why not trust them to defend them. You can probably even set the kids part aside, I bet most teachers would want to save their own asses in an active shooter situation, so saving the kids would be a positive side effect of teachers protecting themselves.

I don't think too many would take issue if the teacher is qualified, trained, and willing.

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I don't think too many would take issue if the teacher is qualified, trained, and willing.

 

I would. I don't think it's the right solution. 

 

If teachers CCW, it gives gun access to ALL students. 

 

We had a full time cop at my little podunk high school in Maine. He had a gun, and was part of the local PD. Great guy, and funny. He quickly became part of the "family." Almost blended in like another student. If you ask me, every school should do that.

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If teachers are armed, the following entities must put their stamp of approval? Superintendent, teachers association, union,parents, pta, board of education, school district, school board members and of course the students. Rather than arm teachers, hire an armed guard?

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Just allow willing teachers/staff to conceal at school...

 

It's not going to scare anyone, cause it will be concealed.. and the school will not be a gun free zone. aka, a target.

 

 

Same with college campuses..

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