Cuz Merica

[paradime]

For every indictment of these Russians the DNC and Hillary Camp committed the same crimes.

 

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/does-mueller-indictment-mean-clinton-campaign-can-be-indicted-for-chris-steele/ 

 

Hillary and the DNC should be hung for undermining our democracy by throwing the primary election. If people are stupid enough to trust them after that, they're sheep. I would say the same thing about people or a party who put's their faith in a man like Trump. You do realize though, it's not a crime to collect opposition research, and although it may be bias against Trump, that's also not illegal.

[Dguy210]

I think we all should once again give thanks to Ratwagon for making this thread to act as a septic tank place for all of the political bullshit topics that would distract the rest of Ratsun from talking about their shitboxes Datsuns.

 

 

Now back to our regularly scheduled clusterfuck.  :thumbup:

[racerx]

FUBAR

[tr8er]

,are you equally as pissed about the usa interference in global elections?

 

Why are you not complaining about Soros interfering?

Other countries tend to be. As they should. Some go so far as civil war and upheaval of governments.

[MikeRL411]

Other countries tend to be. As they should. Some go so far as civil war and upheaval of governments.

 

"A little revolution now and then is a good thing" Thomas Jefferson.

[Draker]

I didn't know they held global elections, but why is that a reason not to investigate what happened here?

 

Do you really think Soros or the Koch brothers are the same thing as Russia? How many times have I said I want corporate money influence out of politics?

 

It's so fucked up that defending our democracy from foreign influence has become a right left battle. I don't give a shit about sides, I want to know what happened in that 2016 shit show. If you find that threatening I can't help you there.

Soros doesn't live or have citizenship in the usa.. so yes it's pretty much exactly the same.

 

Global elections.. as in elections held on all parts of the planet. You know exactly what I meant.

 

No one here including myself said don't investigate. Please do.. but don't turn a blind eye because your pac is backed by soros.. or because your inlaw is a soros. Or because media matters or the open foundation tells you to do so.

 

The shoe has been on the other foot.. Media is liberal as fuck. Soros injects billions into elections. I feel the same way. we all do. But when the R word is mentioned all the sudden tiggering happens. Selective outrage happens in the media.. its pathetic.

 

The Russians goal is to divide, which is not hard to do. They are wasting their money. The only was we could be divided any further is by physically parting the usa. It's silly political theater.. on both sides.

 

Your statement is not threatening. but clearly proves you chose to ignore my sentament, or youve just missed the point.

[Draker]

Other countries tend to be. As they should. Some go so far as civil war and upheaval of governments.

As well they should!

 

There is tape of Hillary talking about intervening in an election. Documents showing her framing innocent people..

 

Wikileaks has tons of documents outlining USA plans to meddling in foreign elections. It's discusting.

 

But Russia, russia, Russia!!

 

 

 

 

 

Still waiting for actual proof of trump collusion, btw.

[tr8er]

Oh I know. We are fucking terrible about exactly what I am pissed about. No question about it. I use every opportunity I get to try to steer up away from global politics. It's a drop in an empty bucket, but that is a republic for ya. It's our responsibility to prevent others from fucking with us, just as it is their responsibility to prevent us from fucking with them. So how does a discussion about our fucked up actions in any way dismiss the necessity of our search for justice? You say you don't want to prevent an investigation into Russia, yet you spend breath undermining the FBI's effort on every page it seems. Maybe you are just not satisfied with the players involved, but it comes off as if you are against the investigation as a whole

[Ratwagon1600]

I think we all should once again give thanks to Ratwagon for making this thread to act as a septic tank place for all of the political bullshit topics that would distract the rest of Ratsun from talking about their shitboxes Datsuns.

 

 

Now back to our regularly scheduled clusterfuck.  :thumbup:

Insert Elvis voice here.

 

Thank you, thank you very much.............

[Draker]

Oh I know. We are fucking terrible about exactly what I am pissed about. No question about it. I use every opportunity I get to try to steer up away from global politics. It's a drop in an empty bucket, but that is a republic for ya. It's our responsibility to prevent others from fucking with us, just as it is their responsibility to prevent us from fucking with them. So how does a discussion about our fucked up actions in any way dismiss the necessity of our search for justice? You say you don't want to prevent an investigation into Russia, yet you spend breath undermining the FBI's effort on every page it seems. Maybe you are just not satisfied with the players involved, but it comes off as if you are against the investigation as a whole

Top tier of the fbi is 100% corrupt. Verified dirty as it gets. That's why. 7th floor deep state treasonous pieces of shit.

 

Do you dispute this?

 

The rest are doing fantastic work.

[Draker]

Except for whoever dropped the ball on the Nick Cruz deal.. they also fucked up majorly.

[Ratwagon1600]

Except for whoever dropped the ball on the Nick Cruz deal.. they also fucked up majorly.

Agreed.

 

Based on the open source reporting, there appears to be a Prima facie case for some heads to roll.

[tr8er]

I'd have a hard time feeling confident about anyone that far removed from myself being not corrupt. I'd expect corruption at every level. And I feel money must be removed from politics because of this disgust.

[datzenmike]

 If you check there has always been defining moments where something was tried that showed up a loophole or failure in command or policy in government agencies like the FBI. They learn the lesson make changes and move on.

[Draker]

Well then text messages are released requests between the high level agents showing treasonous intentions.. everyone should be afraid.

[Draker]

[125 CSL]

http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2018/02/17/chinas-step-into-the-maelstrom-of-the-middle-east/

 

China’s step into the maelstrom of the Middle East

 

 

A new player has stepped up to the table. This might get interesting.

[john510]

Really this is a "Long tail" problem.

 

Statistically the deaths in school shootings are trivial in a country of 323 million people. 

 

Now that is an inflammatory statement so let me clarify what I mean by this. The key word in that sentence is statistically.

 

I will focus on only "school shootings" for the rest of this statement and I realize this is only a subset.

 

I'm not saying the deaths aren't a tragedy, I'm just saying in an actuarial sense as a cause of death it is below lightning strikes (seriously 40-50 deaths per year), while only 138 people have died of school shootings in the last 6 years (6*40-50=240-300 so lets say 250 here vs. 138). You are literally twice as likely to die from lightning as you are in a school shooting.

 

Your chances as a child of being killed in a school shooting by some crazy person is incredibly small.

 

Here are the numbers:

 

In the last 6 years (including the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting) 438 have been shot and 138 have died. So lets put this in perspective as a cause of death:

 

The USA has 323,000,000 people in it. Half are under age 18 but we will ignore this for now as the shooting deaths are not all children anyways.

 

So out of a population of  323,000,000 people 2,626,418 people die each year. 

 

Which means in the last 6 years 15,758,508 (almost 16 million) people have died. 138 of those people died due to school shootings. 

 

This comes back to what I mean about this being a "long tail" problem.

 

You can not make the world perfectly safe, no matter how much time or resources you want to spend chasing an ever diminishing return.

 

You want to save lives? There are many many other causes of deaths, even in children, that the same resources could be spent on to save more lives than even stopping school shootings completely.

 

Or put another way, every dollar you put to stopping one school shooting death condemns several other people to a preventable death.

 

Here comes the BIG but though, school shootings make the news, they are flashy and unpredictable, and humans are very very bad at logically understanding risk.

 

Which comes back to what Ratwagon said about there being too many guns in the USA to ever stop school shootings. Looking at it from the opposite direction, there are around 300 million firearms in the USA or about 1 per person, yet only 138 people died in school shootings in the last 6 years. 

 

LET me repeat that: 300,000,000 vs 138.

 

1 single ISIS attack in Paris (a country with very strong gun laws) was 130 people. 86 people were killed in one truck attack in Nice. 1 truck attack killed more than half the number of people killed in school shootings in the last 6 years.

 

So now tell me from a statistical and logical viewpoint is this really what we should focus on? 

 

I realize it is a horrible thing and very newsworthy but this is not really a large cause of death. 

 

What I'm getting back to is if you want to prevent deaths focusing on a specific tool with bans it is literally NOT EFFECTIVE in keeping people from DYING.

 

If you want to save lives you must have PEOPLE FOCUSED policies.

 

Because you could ban every fucking gun and a crazy person could drive a truck into a crowd or use bombs and kill people.

 

The answer is we need to focus on the MENTALLY ILL people committing these crimes (through a variety of methods talked about earlier and of course based on due process etc... to prevent abuse).

 

EDIT: I'm stepping off the soapbox for now. I'm tired of this topic and I don't truly believe anyone is ever swayed to any great degree by an argument on the internet.

I'm sure the victims and their families would find comfort in reading this.Please note the sarcasm.I thought the cake cartoon was bad.Lightning strikes ? 

[VFR800]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-18/facebook-post-mp-george-christensen-feel-lucky-greenie-punks/9459476

[240zness]

^no sense of humour

 

I know jewtopia isn't RWs favourite topics..

 

But when talking about elections, I want to remind people that Obama's election guru was in isreal to counter Bibi's campaign in '14? How is that not meddling.

 

Don't think elections really are what we act like they are. So liking Trumps presidency comes down to the fact that very few powerful people wanted him.

 

Again find myself being for certain positions because of the unwarranted outrage against them.

[Ratwagon1600]

An interesting article from the New York Times.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/world/ak-47-mass-shootings.html

[thisismatt]

From the stats I've seen, homicides by firearm have not kept pace with US population, so have we not actually seen a decrease in gun violence overall? Or maybe I looked at the wrong stats, population vs gun homicides...

[Dolomite]

An interesting article from the New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/world/ak-47-mass-shootings.html

And, as we’ve come to expect from ny times, full of bullshit and misinformation.

[racerx]

Educate us where the bs and misinformation occured.

[datzenmike]

An interesting article from the New York Times.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/world/ak-47-mass-shootings.html

 

Common knowledge except the word evolve. How is it evolution when it's always been the guns of choice. Who wouldn't use them if you want reliable, available, heavy fire power???????? I don't know about BS but it's nothing new and kind of stating the obvious.