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Title 8, sec. 1325.

"Section 1325 sets forth criminal offenses relating to (1) improper entry into the United States by an alien, (2) entry into marriage for the purpose of evading immigration laws, and (3) establishing a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading immigration laws. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8 U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.

 

Comment: Further discussion of these offenses is set forth in Chapter 4 of Immigration Law, published as part of the Office of Legal Education's Litigation Series, and as part of the USABook computer library."

 

Still addressing entry or violation of terms of entry. Not actually making it illegal to be here.

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Rjawm Newbie

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Title 8, sec. 1325.

 

This title covers illegal entry, it has nothing to do with over staying a visa. 

 

Having a visa is the granted permission from the US government to be in the U.S. for a specific duration of time and for a specific purpose.  Essentially it's a "free pass" to be in the US and enjoy all the benefits our country is willing to extend to you during your stay in the U.S.  They can be renewed or revoked as the government sees fit.

 

Over staying a visa is viewed as a civil offense, not a criminal offense, meaning you broke a rule or regulation but not necessarily a law.  Therefore Pelosi's argument, while based in semantics, is factual.

 

 

LOL walked away for a bit while typing this and tr8er beat me to it

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bananahamuck Mentor

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It's not a civil offense it's a civil infraction ,, but yeah..  Have any of you ever been to court over a "civil infraction"  .. and i mean a real one,  not a traffic ticket one??  I wouldn't walk i there without a lawyer,,,,,,,,,,,, coals,,,,,,,,, they will rake you over them.

 

Anyways

 

 

 

Easier to read in the link as forum makes it a wall of text

 

 

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-66/pdf/STATUTE-66-Pg163.pdf#page=67

 

 

PDFs are a dick to just copy and paste and it doubled up on some text but ,, whatever . you guys are all a bunch of asswipes anyways

 

66
STAT-]
                PUBLIC  LAW
  4
14-JUNE 27,  1952                                                      page 163                                                                                                          
Public  Law  414        CHAPTER   477  
AN  ACT
                                                                     June 27,  1952 
To  revise   the   laws  relating   to  immigration,   naturalization,   and   nationality;
        [H.R.5678]
 

 

So if you are in USA and help someone else sneak over or board or harbor them

66  STAT.]
                    PUBLIc LAW
   4-14-JUNE  27,    1952                                                                        229                                                                       
(3)   willfully  or  knowingly  conceals,  harbors,  or  shields   from  
detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield
  from detection, 
in  any  place, including  any  building  or  any  means  of  transportation
or
(4)   willfully  or  knowingly  encourages  or  induces,  or  attempts 
to encourage or induce, either directly or indirectly, the entry  into 
the United  States
  of— 
any  alien, including an  alien  crewman,  not duly  admitted  by  an  immigration  officer  or  not  lawfully  entitled  to  enter  or  reside  within  the 
United  States under the terms  of this Act  or  any  other  law  relating  to 
the immigration  or expulsion  of  aliens, shall  be guilty  of  a felony,  and 
upon  conviction  thereof   shall  be  punished   by  a  fine  not   exceeding  
$2,000 or by imprisonment  for a term  not  exceeding  five years, or  both, 
for  each  alien  in  respect  to  whom  any  violation  of   this   subsection  
occurs:

Provided^ however^
  That   for   the  purposes   of  this   section,  
employment   (including  the  usual  and  normal  practices  incident  to 
employment)  shall  not  be  deemed  to  constitute  harboring. 
( B)   No  officer  or person  shall have authority  to make  any  arrest  for 
a  violation  of  any  provision  of  this  section  except  officers  and  employ-
ees of  the  Service designated  by the Attorney  General,  either  individ-
ually  or  as  a  member  of  a  class, and  all  other  officers  whose  duty  it  is 
to
  enforce criminal  laws. 
ENTRY or ALIEN  AT  IMPROPER  TIME   OR  PLACE;  MISREPRESENTATION   AND  
CONCEALMENT  OF  FACTS 
SEC.
275.

  Any  alien  who  (1)  enters the United  States  at  any  time  or 
place  other  than  as  designated
  hy immigration  officers,  or 

(2)   eludes  examination  or inspection  by immigration  officers,  or  (3)  obtains  entry 
to the United  States  by  a  willfully  false  or  misleading  representation 
or  the  willful  concealment  of  a  material  fact,  shall,  for  the  first  com-
mission  of  any  such  offenses,  be  guilty  of  a  misdemeanor  and  upon 
conviction  thereof  be punished  by  imprisonment
  for not  more than  six 
months,  or  by  a  fine  of  not  more than  $500, or  by both,  and  for  a  sub-
sequent  commission  of  any  such offenses  shall be guilty  of  a felony  and 
upon  conviction  thereof  shall  be  punished  by  imprisonment  for  not 
more than  two years, or  by  a  fine  of  not  more than
  $1,000,
or  both.

 

66
  STAT.]
                    PUBLIC LAW
   4-14-JUNE  27,    1952  

     

 

 

Or how bout this part of it??

REENTRY  OF  DEPORTED  ALIEN 
SEC.
  276. Any  alien
  who— 
(1)  has  been  arrested  and  deported  or  excluded  and  deported, 
and  thereafter 
(2)   enters,  attempts  to  enter,  or  is  at  any  time  found  in,  the 
United  States,  unless  (A)  prior  to  his  reembarkation  at  a  place 
outside  the  United  States  or  his  application  for  admission   from  
foreign  contiguous  territory,  the  Attorney  General  has  expressly 
consented  to  such  alien's  reapplying  for  admission;  or  ( B)  with 
respect  to  an  alien  previously  excluded  and  deported,  unless  such 
alien shall establish that he was not required to obtain such  advance 
consent under this or any prior  Act, 
shall  be  guilty  of  a  felony,  and  upon  conviction
  thereof,  be  punished by  imprisonment  of  not  more than  two  years, or  by  a  fine  of  not  more 
than $1,000, or both

 

 

 

Now keep in mind this could have been changed but i aint looking that shit up

 

 

 

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racerx Newbie

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Still worth pointing out that, to my knowledge, there is no law against being in the U.S. Entering without permission can be illegal. But being here is not. Thus no law was necessarily broken. Like cigarettes. You can't buy them under age, but having them is legal (federally). States may differ.

..you saying that a person who crossed the border from Mexico w out a passport or visa are not breaking any laws?
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Rjawm Newbie

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Do you realize that makes no sense whatsoever ? i thought "illegal" meant a law was broken.

 

 

..you saying that a person who crossed the border from Mexico w out a passport or visa are not breaking any laws?

 

 

Let me make it a little more clear what he was saying with the use of the enter key...

 

Still worth pointing out that, to my knowledge, there is no law against being in the U.S.

 

Entering without permission can be illegal.

 

But being here is not. Thus no law was necessarily broken. Like cigarettes. You can't buy them under age, but having them is legal (federally). States may differ.

See the above posts concerning overstayed visas

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bananahamuck Mentor

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 There is no criminal law  about over staying visa ,, i thought you fucklips were talking about people in the country without going through proper channels.

 

 

GFY ... all of you

 

 

For the record ,, i don't care if normal people are here undocumented , if they are living their lives in a constructive manner and what-not...

    Live and let live i say,, and bring your smooth skinned bikini clad daughters to Sun lakes in August ,,, usually towards the end,,,,,,,,,,,, thanks.

 

 

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john510 Veteran

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So what law is broken by being in the U.S. without a Visa or citizenship?  

Maybe an immigration law ? with your logic i guess you could get pulled over for speeding and then tell the officer "but i'm not speeding now because you pulled me over,therefore i'm guilty of no crime"

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john510 Veteran

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...generalizations..I'm certain that there are some that take their jobs seriously at 7-11.

I'm talking about hard work.A guy that digs a trench with a shovel a tree trimmer,concrete finisher etc.Standing at a cash register is not hard work.I could never do it.

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Standing at a cash register is not hard work.I could never do it.

My step sister works night shift at a 7-11. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. She routinely has to clean shit off the walls of the bathroom and deal with mentally ill people wandering into the store. You couldn't pay me enough to stand behind that counter and deal with the lowest of the low.

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tr8er Rookie

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Maybe an immigration law ? with your logic i guess you could get pulled over for speeding and then tell the officer "but i'm not speeding now because you pulled me over,therefore i'm guilty of no crime"

A better example would be showing up to a party, the host mentions speaking with you an hour ago when you were leaving the house. A cop who was nearby writes you a ticket because he thinks you must have been speeding to get there in an hour.

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I'm talking about hard work.A guy that digs a trench with a shovel a tree trimmer,concrete finisher etc.Standing at a cash register is not hard work.I could never do it.

...hey its work, its honest, your contributing, paying taxes, not just taking up space.
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240zness Newbie

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Tr8er, the article you posted makes perfect sense. Any "confusion" stems from it warping the Fox reality distortion force field.

 

Fox is warped , but can the others be used in the same sentence as Reality?

 

And what dimension are you referring to?

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john510 Veteran

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My step sister works night shift at a 7-11. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. She routinely has to clean shit off the walls of the bathroom and deal with mentally ill people wandering into the store. You couldn't pay me enough to stand behind that counter and deal with the lowest of the low.

To me that's a shitty job.The 7-11's up there have public bathrooms ? 

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