DanielC Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 It looks to me like the rise in national debt flat lines in July of every odd numbered year. Will the debt start rising again? I hope not. Remember the main purpose of EVERY government agency is to perpetuate and grow itself. Maybe president Trump being a business man will reverse that. 1 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Less is not more,just my opinion. I don't see anywhere where it's gone down. A flat line shows the interest is being paid, which reassures lenders so you can borrow more and keep going. It looks to me like the rise in national debt flat lines in July of every odd numbered year. Will the debt start rising again? I hope not. Remember the main purpose of EVERY government agency is to perpetuate and grow itself. Maybe president Trump being a business man will reverse that. See above comment Look, it went down. WTF cares if it's still being added to, it went down. Down is towards the bottom of the page. 2017 looks mostly level. See top comment. The national debt is just a credit card that is tending towards maxing out but with interest payments slowing the rise just enough to keep it from being cut up. Looks like April the 102 billion was applied to the dept. This will make about 172 days (5.5 months) of interest payments or basically that flat line shown. Link to comment
john510 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I don't see anywhere where it's gone down. A flat line shows the interest is being paid, which reassures lenders so you can borrow more and keep going. See above comment Down is towards the bottom of the page. 2017 looks mostly level. See top comment. The national debt is just a credit card that is tending towards maxing out but with interest payments slowing the rise just enough to keep it from being cut up. i didn't just pull that number out of my ass.The graph may not show much but a $102 billion less is better than what the trend was.I guess a graph with a freefalling line wouldn't impress you much either ? Link to comment
thisismatt Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I don't see anywhere where it's gone down. A flat line shows the interest is being paid, which reassures lenders so you can borrow more and keep going. See above comment Down is towards the bottom of the page. 2017 looks mostly level. See top comment. The national debt is just a credit card that is tending towards maxing out but with interest payments slowing the rise just enough to keep it from being cut up. Get glasses. It was previously above the current flatline, hence it went down. Link to comment
a.d._510_n_ok Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Southern California's fire devastation is 'the new normal,' Gov. Brown says During a news conference at the Ventura County Fairgrounds, Brown said climate change may exacerbate the weather conditions that caused the wildfires to explode. He expressed sympathy for residents who had lost their homes and animals, saying the fires were horrific and a “terrible tragedy for so many people.” http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-socal-fires-20171210-story.html Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 i didn't just pull that number out of my ass.The graph may not show much but a $102 billion less is better than what the trend was.I guess a graph with a freefalling line wouldn't impress you much either ? Get glasses. It was previously above the current flatline, hence it went down. I have glasses, but thanks. Then why is it flat????? Because rather than removing from the principal it's used to pay off the interest. Look at the last flat line in 2016. Right after it jumped right up to where it would have been if they kept going up at the same rate of slope. It it had really gone down it would have begun a new curve. Link to comment
thisismatt Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I have glasses, but thanks. Then why is it flat????? Because rather than removing from the principal it's used to pay off the interest. Look at the last flat line in 2016. Right after it jumped right up to where it would have been if they kept going up at the same rate of slope. It it had really gone down it would have begun a new curve.Who cares if it's flat now or in the future, or if it goes up again - it is lower now than it was, so IT WENT DOWN. You are arguing a losing position, even given clear evidence. Done. 1 Link to comment
racerx Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 The ole adage half full or half empty is true in this case. Link to comment
john510 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I try to keep my cup 1/2 full most of the time. Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 The only clear evidence is that it's climbing all the time. If driving up a gravel hill, do you say "Wee... we're going down" every time you go over every stone? Link to comment
john510 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Mike,are you trolling now ? Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I thought you all were.... ...and this is Cuz, right? Link to comment
racerx Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just in Ambassador Haley stated that women who have accused Trumpcheeto of sexual harrassment should be heard. Link to comment
tr8er Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 This is called a debt ceiling. This is that magic time when people stop writing checks and start using credit cards until there is money in the bank again. Then they pay off those credit cards. Except when you are our government, that is interdepartmental IOU's. Whatever. It will go back up as if there were no flatline like Mike states, but if the debt ceiling keeps happening frequently, perhaps a reduction in spending will happen. BTW, what is most likely is that Trump/Congress will push us right back into recession. A democrat will step in and hopefully full us out of it and Republicans will scream about how fiscally responsible they are... Sorry. The Bush handoff to Obama was disgusting and Republicans need to own up to that. If they don't, I don't want to hear dick about Obamas spending. Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just in Ambassador Haley stated that women who have accused Trumpcheeto of sexual harrassment should be heard. Hopefully this is a call to step forward and be heard and not a put up or shut up intimidation. As Haley was appointed by Trump I hope not the later. If she gets the boot probably the former. Link to comment
john510 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 A call to step forward ? haven't they already ? Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Yes, but not taken seriously or something more would have been done. Or maybe they really are fake or have weak story that can be discredited.. Link to comment
Josh K. Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 While you guys are arguing I'm over here waiting to see that extra $15 in my check thanks to the Trump Tax Cuts.... Just wait till you see what that disgusting human being Paul Ryan does to "entitlements" That WE PAY/PAID FOR... I make six figures. Raise my fucking taxes, provide health care to all, help people in need, educate our children, fix our roads, and invest in emerging technologies... Oh wait... Gotta give tax cuts to the rich and corporations who are already seeing record profits. We also need to invest heavily in the most wasteful part of our government.. the military complex.. Anyone that believes this tax bill will "trickle down" is a naive fool and anyone that defends Drumpf should be ashamed of themselves. Carry on... 2 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 ”What is the great American sin? Extravagance? Vice? Graft? No; it is a kind of half-humorous, good-natured indifference, a lack of “concentrated indignation” as my English friend calls it, which allows extravagance and vice to flourish. Trace most of our ills to their source, and it is found that they exist by virtue of an easy-going, fatalistic indifference which dislikes to have its comfort disturbed…. The most shameless greed, the most sickening industrial atrocities, the most appalling public scandals are exposed, but a half-cynical and wholly indifferent public passes them by with hardly a shrug of the shoulders; and they are lost in the medley of events. This is the great American sin.”................... Joseph Fort Newman, October 1922 almost a hundred years ago. 1 Link to comment
racerx Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 While you guys are arguing I'm over here waiting to see that extra $15 in my check thanks to the Trump Tax Cuts.... Just wait till you see what that disgusting human being Paul Ryan does to "entitlements" That WE PAY/PAID FOR... I make six figures. Raise my fucking taxes, provide health care to all, help people in need, educate our children, fix our roads, and invest in emerging technologies... Oh wait... Gotta give tax cuts to the rich and corporations who are already seeing record profits. We also need to invest heavily in the most wasteful part of our government.. the military complex.. Anyone that believes this tax bill will "trickle down" is a naive fool and anyone that defends Drumpf should be ashamed of themselves. Carry on... ....I hardly agree w Brannon but when i heard that he called Ryan I limp dock, I agreed. Link to comment
john510 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 While you guys are arguing I'm over here waiting to see that extra $15 in my check thanks to the Trump Tax Cuts.... Just wait till you see what that disgusting human being Paul Ryan does to "entitlements" That WE PAY/PAID FOR... I make six figures. Raise my fucking taxes, provide health care to all, help people in need, educate our children, fix our roads, and invest in emerging technologies... Oh wait... Gotta give tax cuts to the rich and corporations who are already seeing record profits. We also need to invest heavily in the most wasteful part of our government.. the military complex.. Anyone that believes this tax bill will "trickle down" is a naive fool and anyone that defends Drumpf should be ashamed of themselves. Carry on... You're right,we should have just gone ahead and elected Hillary.I'm ashamed of myself.If you really want to raise your taxes go ahead and send a little extra in.They'll take it. Link to comment
Josh K. Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 You're right,we should have just gone ahead and elected Hillary.I'm ashamed of myself.If you really want to raise your taxes go ahead and send a little extra in.They'll take it. I know reading comprehension is not a strong point of Drumpf supporters so let me help you out. I said: "anyone that defends Drumpf should be ashamed of themselves" You read: "anyone that voted for Drumpf should be ashamed of themselves" Can you see the difference now that I put those "words" side by side?.... As for taxes.. Here I'll quote myself so you can read it veeeery slowly: "Raise my fucking taxes, provide health care to all, help people in need, educate our children, fix our roads, and invest in emerging technologies... " If you read it veeeery slowly you might be able see there's "words" after the "raise my taxes" part.. ;) Link to comment
john510 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Oh boy,here we go with another Liberal Trump hating butthurt voter.I understood your post quite well.Don't assume somebody's intelligence because of who or who they don't support OR vote for.What choice did we have as far as a President goes ? the people chose the lesser of two evils.Now what is it with you Trump haters that can't spell a five letter word properly ? Now you can't say "while you guys were arguing ....." you just got yourself involved in Cuz.Enjoy the tax cut if it ever gets approved,save it for the economic armageddon that you think will be in our future. Link to comment
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