Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 It was proven positively that a crowd can be sprayed with bullets from 1,300 feet away and 400 foot elevation give or take. Doesn't take calculations to do this just a machine gun and the will. I didn't see any scopes on these rifles. Can you even shoot at a person 1,300 feet away with open sights and hope to hit them? at night??? Curious what the aiming point difference over 1,300 feet is and then being 400 feet higher. Can't be much. Insane, mad, crazy, coo coo,nuts, mentally diminished or mentally ill. You have to be one or more of them to do this. If writing down your distance and elevation is calculating something and means you are not insane then I'll trade it for crazy or mentally ill or whatever.. Lack of motive? Does not mean conspiracy. It means one hasn't been found (yet) or may never be found or there simply isn't one or one that's understandable. Your words not mine. Thats is fucking amazing. I see some pretty dang good optics on his long rifles........I am guessing you have a foggy eye when trying to debate details? 2 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Sorry Matt I don't watch TV and haven't seen that picture. Can you see anything at night through it on automatic. If using the scope wouldn't single fire be more accurate? Just how much higher or lower do you have to aim to correct for elevation? Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 He had on his piece of paper all the digits he needed for his windage and elevation from the front barrier to the back. He also had his numbers for trying to explode the jet fuel tanks too. I can figure out the how much his numbers would have to be. Gimme a few minutes. 1 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Hotel to victims he would have to compensate for 6-7ft of drop The Fuel tanks he tried to explode needed 11-12ft of drop. I dont know his reticle on the optics, but longer range scopes have reticle similar to this. Oh and I haven't watched television since 2008 2 Link to comment
thisismatt Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 being a pilot, wouldn't he know shooting those tanks would not cause any ignition with standard rounds? 2 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 being a pilot, wouldn't he know shooting those tanks would not cause any ignition with standard rounds? I don't think he did. Paraphrasing one of the FBI who was quoted. He said it was good that he didn't use incendiary We could also hypothesize the ammonium nitrate and tannerite was meant for the tanks, but something must have prevented the installation. 1 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Jet fuel is diesel. You might set fire to it but barely. So a bullet that is in the air for 1 -1.25 second is going to drop 6-7 feet????? more??? because it's traveling 60 feet farther? This does not add up. Link to comment
john510 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Wrong AGAIN A large portion of the injured were from trampling or stampeding!!! Are you really a guy who opines on the least amount of information regurgitated by some other person? My bad,they should remove those that weren't injured by bullet from the victim's list.I realize i said "hit almost 600" Second question,no.I don't rely on opinions from regurgitated info by others that might be regurgitating on Ratsun. Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Jet fuel is diesel. You might set fire to it but barely. So a bullet that is in the air for 1 -1.25 second is going to drop 6-7 feet????? more??? because it's traveling 60 feet farther? This does not add up. Where do you keep getting this 60 feet of distance ? The fuel tanks are double the distance away . That’s over 2000 feet . 1 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Where do you keep getting this 60 feet of distance ? The fuel tanks are double the distance away . That’s over 2000 feet . You said 1,300 feet to the audience and 400 feet of height. The slope distance is 1,360 feet. If the rifle is sighted in on a target 1,300 feet away at a gun range and then you move 400 feet higher the bullet has to travel an extra 60.147 feet. At 3,300 fps that's about 1/3 second, certainly less than 0.5 seconds of flight time. How is this an extra drop of 5-6 feet? How is this going to miss a crowd of people? Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 You said 1,300 feet to the audience and 400 feet of height. The slope distance is 1,360 feet. If the rifle is sighted in on a target 1,300 feet away at a gun range and then you move 400 feet higher the bullet has to travel an extra 60.147 feet. How is this an extra drop of 5-6 feet? http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/traj.html https://www.federalpremium.com/ballistics_calculator/ Here use this. 2 Link to comment
DaBlist Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Evil sure seems greater now days. You used to hear about delusional or angered people striking out at those around them but I don't remember them going after the masses like this. Maybe I just haven't studied it. 2 Link to comment
tr8er Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 You said 1,300 feet to the audience and 400 feet of height. The slope distance is 1,360 feet. If the rifle is sighted in on a target 1,300 feet away at a gun range and then you move 400 feet higher the bullet has to travel an extra 60.147 feet. At 3,300 fps that's about 1/3 second, certainly less than 0.5 seconds of flight time. How is this an extra drop of 5-6 feet? How is this going to miss a crowd of people? 5-6 feet of drop from the scope point Mike. That's based on total distance at level. The added drop would factor in, but minimally. Basically the guy was shooting at a target that was the size of a concert crowd. He couldn't easily miss. Hitting people was just the odds of taking a shot in their general direction. 3 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Here is another chart for you mike. http://gundata.org/blog/post/223-ballistics-chart/ 1 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I have to prove myself right or wrong??? I might cheat you Matt. 5-6 feet of drop from the scope point Mike. That's based on total distance at level. The added drop would factor in, but minimally. Basically the guy was shooting at a target that was the size of a concert crowd. He couldn't easily miss. Hitting people was just the odds of taking a shot in their general direction. The bullet would only be in flight for less than half a second say .4 seconds. At 1 g that's under 30 inches of drop. Lets say 3 feet. A lot more than I thought but not twice that. And besides wouldn't this already be dialed in on the gun sights? Wouldn't you sight the gun in for 1,300 feet before hand? So again how does a 400 foot elevation change anything? Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 A 223 round is on average 3.9g Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 All objects fall at 1 g 1 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Here is more information on elevated shooting. http://www.rifleshootermag.com/network-topics/tips-tactics-network/hitting-a-high-or-low-angle-shot/ 2 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 More info on bullet drop and zero point. https://youtu.be/Klvve0ZG_jo 2 Link to comment
q-tip Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 A bullet travels in an arc mike not a straight line, they aren't fucking lasers. The standard for small caliber rifle sighting is 100 yards point of aim at point of impact. So if your scope is sighted at 100 yards and you're shooting 400 plus, you have a lot of bullet drop. What I assume is that he only bore sighted the optics not getting him a truely sighted rifle. It would take a degree of precision to get on target at that distance, that being said rapid fire at that distance is just spray and pray. 1 Link to comment
125 CSL Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Actually, that was a bit of elbowing with self incrimination John. I do that mercilessly and without shame, and Mathew himself has called me out on it more than once. Calling Paradime out is a rite of passage on Ratsun. 6 Link to comment
tr8er Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 We are very glad he didn't have Incendiary rounds. He could have just rolled through south central LA and picked some up. 3 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 We are very glad he didn't have Incendiary rounds. He could have just rolled through south central LA and picked some up. The tanks would have to be empty to light them up. If full they would just leak. Only in Hollywood does shit blow up.. 2 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I wonder if he planned on that being a diversion? 1 Link to comment
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