Cuz Merica

[tr8er]

People don't need a gun to kill other people, that's a bullshit excuse to ban them, humans have been killing each other for thousands of years, long before gun powder was even invented.

Yup. And cetergorically, those things are made illegal.

[datzenmike]

People don't need a gun to kill other people, that's a bullshit excuse to ban them, humans have been killing each other for thousands of years, long before gun powder was even invented.

 

But it's a hell of a lot easier with a gun from a safe distance and requires no skill whatever.....  and no one has said 'ban guns'.  

[Jesse C.]

You are right. It would build up the black market. Not good. But if he were insured for all the guns he had, families who lost bread winners might actually get some relief. This is not something I feel strongly about. And I've only now started thinking about owners insurance. Most recent mass shootings were legal guns I believe.

 

The San Bernardino terrorists used Straw Purchase guns and where modified illegally as well. But otherwise, yes, most where legally purchased. 

[Jesse C.]

I give you, the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind. 

 

Michael Moore

 

Michael Moore

October 4 at 4:00am · 

My Proposal to Repeal the Second Amendment and Replace It With This:

PROPOSED 28th AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION 
“A well regulated State National Guard, being helpful to the safety and security of a State in times of need, along with the strictly regulated right of the people to keep and bear a limited number of non-automatic Arms for sport and hunting, with respect to the primary right of all people to be free from gun violence, this shall not be infringed.”

I, Michael Moore, along with all who support an end to this epidemic of gun violence, propose a new Amendment to our Constitution that repeals the ancient and outdated 2nd Amendment (which was written before bullets and revolvers were even invented), and replaces it with a new 28th Amendment that guarantees States can have State militias (a.k.a. State National Guards which are made up of citizen-soldiers who are called upon in times of natural disasters or other State emergencies), allows individuals to use guns for sport and gathering food, and guarantees everyone the right to be free of, and protected from, gun violence (i.e., the public’s safety comes ahead of an individual’s right to own and fire a gun).

This amendment would allow states and the federal government to pass laws that would regulate gun ownership in the following manner:

• As over 90% of gun violence is committed by men, in order for a man to purchase a gun, he must first get a waiver from his current wife, plus his most recent ex-wife, or any woman with whom he is currently in a relationship (if he’s gay, he must get the waiver from his male spouse/partner). This law has greatly reduced most spousal/domestic gun murders in Canada.

• All automatic and semi-automatic guns are banned.

• No gun or clip can hold more than 6 bullets.

• To activate a gun for it to be used, the trigger must recognize the fingerprint of its registered owner. This will eliminate most crimes committed with a gun as 80% of these crimes are done with a stolen gun.

• One’s guns must be stored at a licensed gun club or government-regulated gun storage facility. Believing that having a gun in your home provides you with protection is an American myth. People who die from a home invasion make up a sad but minuscule .04% of all gun murders in the US. And over a third of them are killed by their own gun that the criminal has either stolen or wrestled from them.

• To own and operate a gun one must obtain a license (like one does to operate a car). To get a license you have to complete a gun training and safety course and pass a thorough background check.

• As nearly half of all gun deaths are suicides, mental health care must become a top national health priority and must be properly funded. And by making it more difficult to purchase a gun - and requiring its storage outside the home - easy access during a suicidal moment is denied.

• Current restrictions placed on the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), due to successful lobbying by the NRA, have prohibited them from studying the gun violence epidemic in the US. These rules need to be removed and the funding restored. Science will then be free to find out why we are ALONE among nations in killing each other at such a massive rate (hint: It’s not just the guns - it’s us as Americans).

These are a few of the regulations that can be enacted to both protect society yet not deny hunters and sportsmen their fun. This is the sane approach that meets everyone’s needs -- everyone, that is, except those of the serial killer, the mass murderer, the violent ex-husband, the disgruntled employee or the disturbed and bullied teenager. We will never eliminate all murder; that’s been with us since Cain killed Abel. But we CAN join the community of enlightened nations where gun violence is that rare occurrence — as opposed to the daily tragedy we now suffer here in the United States of America. This can come to an end with the repeal of the 2nd Amendment and replacing it with the 28th Amendment.

For those who believe it will be impossible to do this, let me close by sharing with you two important facts that should give us hope:

1. We are not a country of gun nuts. 77% of all Americans do NOT own a gun! If three-quarters of the country has decided they have no need for a gun, three-quarters of the country may also decide they have no need for an archaic amendment that allows retired accountants to own 47 assault weapons. LET’S ORGANIZE THE 77%!

2. When President Obama tried to get Congress to pass simple, common sense gun control legislation after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary, polls showed 90% of the country backed him! But the NRA beat him. LET’S ORGANIZE THE 90%!

We can start with the upcoming midterm election. Let every candidate know: If you take NRA money, we will 
remove you from office.

Then do it.

[datzenmike]

That makes perfect sense.

[tr8er]

I oppose some of that and love some of it. CDC needs to resume studies for sure. And a license sounds right.

[KoHeartsGPA]

It is as disgusting as Micheal Moore.

[paradime]

We are a paranoid society. The greatest percentage of gun owners have them for self protection. Not for hunting, not to serve in a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, and not to commit crimes. Do we have so many guns because we don't feel safe with our fellow man, because we don't trust our legal system, or the potential tyranny of government? Not too long ago we felt safe even when our crime rates were higher than they are today. What the bloody fuck happened?

[KoHeartsGPA]

We are a paranoid society. The greatest percentage of gun owners have them for self protection. Not for hunting, not to serve in a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, and not to commit crimes. Do we have so many guns because we don't feel safe with our fellow man, because we don't trust our legal system, or the potential tyranny of government? Not too long ago we felt safe even when our crime rates were higher than they are today. What the bloody fuck happened?

Snowflakes happened, that's it.

[racerx]

We are a paranoid society. The greatest percentage of gun owners have them for self protection. Not for hunting, not to serve in a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, and not to commit crimes. Do we have so many guns because we don't feel safe with our fellow man, because we don't trust our legal system, or the potential tyranny of government? Not too long ago we felt safe even when our crime rates were higher than they are today. What the bloody fuck happened?

...I think a lot of times it is a feeling of safety or its my right to own one and perhaps ego. I have a bigger gun than you or I have these kinds of bullets and the list goes on but the craziness is how many do you need and how many bullets do you need, it is a reflection of our society. We consume much more than any other country, We just have to have and we get our kicks from having things.

[VFR800]

[KoHeartsGPA]

That's what makes America great, cuz I can.

[KoHeartsGPA]

Certainly it leaves you scratching your head!

[maltese]

License.... No.

Insurance..... No.

Fingerprint trigger.... Fuck no.

 

I already overpay for a license to drive on roads that I pay for. Hunting license. Fishing license. Vocational licenses. Yeah, they get enough license money from me already, thanks.

 

I already overpay for insurance, to cover my property. Overpay for medical insurance. Not paying some bs firearm insurance, thanks.

 

Fingerprint trigger so I am the only user of my firearm. Not happening Michael. Go write another script. Clearly you live in a land of fiction.

 

 

 

 

Bottom line... Sick people are going to continue to do sick things. It's not going to stop by taking away a weapon. They'll find a way.

[racerx]

....could have something there and yet million sightings of big foot, including foot prints, and yet they have not captured one, or dead carcass or bones.

[Dguy210]

Yup. And categorically, those things are made illegal.

 

Well not really.

 

Murders caused by blunt objects (e.g., fists and hammers) is still way way above that of guns. Even knives, swords, and bow&arrows, are all still very legal*.

 

So we agree killing people is easy, violently killing people is easy. So exactly what "categorically, those things are made illegal" are you referring to, and since you said "categorically" I would assume that means many different things. Should be easy to give an example then.

 

 

 

 

 

And if we are going for just numbers of deaths "poisoned kool-aid" is still sitting at 900, two 767s are at 3000, and communism is at millions.

 

 

*Most places, some restrictions apply.

[VFR800]

 

 

Note - not saying I agree with it,just putting in here Cuz 1st Amendment.

[maltese]

We'd only be talking about truck control, if it was an automatic.

[racerx]

What kind of truck? If it was dodge, yes do control them.

[Dguy210]

This whole discussion is really a result of the fact that humans are bad at risk analysis.

 

Outside of living in some very specific places under very specific circumstances, your chances of being killed by a gun are really statistically insignificant. Our cars and diet are the most likely things to kill us by a large margin.

 

But gun deaths are outside of our control and sudden and flashy and capture our attention. But in reality this is a big waste of resources if the goal is to prevent people from being killed. But we are not a rational species.

[ratpatrol66]

What kind of truck? If it was dodge, yes do control them.

 

Diesel smoking cock sucker? Control!

[john510]

People don't need a gun to kill other people, that's a bullshit excuse to ban them, humans have been killing each other for thousands of years, long before gun powder was even invented.

I agree about people killing people but could you kill me from 20' away with a pair of scissors.knife.a bat,stick,bare hands,etc. ? i seriously doubt it.With that gun i'm dead.I have no chance.There's no outrunning a bullet.

[q-tip]

....could have something there and yet million sightings of big foot, including foot prints, and yet they have not captured one, or dead carcass or bones.

That's because Bigfoot eat their dead....

[datzenmike]

... maybe they grieve and ritualistically bury their dead.
 
 
I live where deer are common. So common I see daily in town and in the bush, and yet the countryside is not ankle deep in bones. Curiously I might see one or two carcasses a year working outdoors and these are usually winter kill from the previous year. So why is there a shortage of bones as they have been on the island since the last Ice Age 12,000 years ago? Well the bones do break down over time from exposure and in the woods the slowly are buried by falling debris all the while slowly breaking down. Quickly they begin to look like old sticks and other animals disturb them too.
 

[]2eDeYe]

I agree about people killing people but could you kill me from 20' away with a pair of scissors.knife.a bat,stick,bare hands,etc. ? i seriously doubt it.With that gun i'm dead.I have no chance.There's no outrunning a bullet.