difrangia Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Does someone have a B210 trany out that could get me an overall length dimension from the bell housing face to end of tailshaft. Also distance from Bell housing face to the shifter pivot pin. Some photos of a removed transmission would be neat. I've searched the forum for this info and pics and cant find what i need. Thanks. Steve Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 The pics are at http://datsun1200.com/modules/mediawiki/index.php?title=63-Series_Transmission It is the same length as the automatic and uses the same drive shaft. Quote Link to comment
Mikeystoy Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 What are you trying to do? A 210 5speed bolts right in without modification. The dogleg is an entirely different animal Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 I'll be pronounced 'CRAZY', but I'm researching transplanting the B210 trany into a 320 pickup behind an E1 engine. First gotta determine the length and shifter position. If that doesn't throw too big a wrench into the spokes, then research the front boltup, rear mount. driveshaft front yoke, and flywheel/clutch that would be used. One step at a time. I know I can go with the proper original floor transmission. Just lusting after the five gears/OD. With the OD, might leave the rockcrawler rear end in. I know I'm competing with the Limey-car group besides the Ratsunsers for the five-gear, but hell, what's life without challenges. Machine work is not out-of-the-question, if needed. OK, the project is revealed. Shoot me down, guys. Steve Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Forgot to add in last post; but measuring in the truck, the original trany looks to be 27" overrall and about 21" from bellhousing face to back of the floor hump in front of the seat. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 The limeys don't use the B210 5-speed. Its too big around. Length is around 26". Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Which 5-speed trany is the MG/Austin guys after? I understood it to be the B210 - 210. Maybe I've misunderstood, but I was under the impression that the B210 was hard to find as all the MG's were soaking them up. Info that I've gathered reads something like these tranys being the B210-210 5-speeds. FS5W60A, FS5W60L or a FS5W63A L=Dogleg pattern A=Regular pattern Please correct my info if inaccurate. Steve Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Yes, you have misunderstood. B210 used the big transmission 210 used the normal size transmission Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted April 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 Big vs small. Does this refer to the gearbox housing size, bellhousing bolt pattern size, or length? What will physically fit behind the E1 engine and in the same envelope as the original 320 trany? I realize that length of trany and output shaft size & spline pattern may dictate that a special driveshaft may need to be fabricated. Ditto with the rear trany mount. To simplify, What can I check off as un-usable to hang behind the E1 engine which I'm thinking is very similar in size to the J-series engine. I realize that the adapter plate may have to be switched or even specially fabricated. Thanks; hate to sound like a four year old kid. No offense intended to members with little kids. Steve Quote Link to comment
Sierra Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Here you go! Hope this help. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 All A-engine transmissions have the same bolt pattern. Same size front case. None have bellhouses, instead the front half of the case bolts directly to the engine. They are all approximately the same length. According to Datsun1200.com the 63 is approx. 15mm shorter than the others. Less than 1/2 inch. The 63 is large diameter with larger stronger gears. All the others are smaller and lighter. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 > will physically fit behind the E1 engine and in the same envelope as the original 320 trany? Unknown. Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted April 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Here you go! Hope this help. Sierra, yeah, this is good info. Is this a 63 series 5-speed for a B210? FS5W63A transmission with regular shift pattern? I'm assuming it's 5-speed as there's no pan. I can crawl under and do more measuring. I apologize for all the questions, I'm in flyover country. There's nothing to go look at for comparison. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
Sierra Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 5 speed. FS5W63A dogleg pattern Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 All 63A are dogleg. Read up on it at http://datsun1200.com/modules/mediawiki/index.php?title=63 Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted April 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Thanks, ggzilla, i've been studying that link from when you posted it earlier in the link and also the links off of it. Great info and I've been on the 1200 site and even logged in a while back. I'm trying to get a good amount of this behind and start zeroing in on what my possibilities are, trany-wise, before I pull the E1 out for rebuild a little later this year. The 63-Series just might be the slug to fill the hole with. Thanks for all the info guys. Quote Link to comment
Rushnracin Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I'm a little confused here. I thought the e1 and j13 were common motors with shared dim. The 1400 has a smaller flywheel than the 1300. The trans will not fit j13. I've made this mistake. Now purchased 280zx trans. And will make adapter from here. It is my understanding that the L series will work with J13. Confused on working photobucket. But can send pics of either with text mess. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 E1 is 1200cc The 1400 is the A14, A-series has totally different bolt pattern from the old engines. L-series transmissions don't bolt to the J13, but you can make an adapter. In some instances you can swap the transmission front cases say the L16 4-spd and the J13 4-spd. Quote Link to comment
ericsb210 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Difrangia. Looks like you are getting a handle on the 5 speed for the E1. Are you planning on sharing the build with us if you go with the B210 63A? From talking with you on the phone it sounded like you were capable of this duanting task. I would like to see the machine work involved, I have always been envious of machining skills. Quote Link to comment
Rushnracin Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Obviously a 1200 is 1200cc and the 1400 is 1400cc da. Two different generations of engine. My point was I thought the flywheel dia. Of the e1 1200 was the same as the j13. I do know the trans from a A14 will not fit a j13. Bell housing is too small any thing else I was incorrect about you have my apologies I will try to keep my fingers off the buttons from thi point on Quote Link to comment
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