EastBay521 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 today i went to pick n pull and got a 3rd member from an 89 hardbody. now that i have my original one pulled out the front piece that connets to the drive shaft is longer on the new diff than the old one. id like to know if these pieces have to be switched in order to fit the drive shaft or can i leave it as is?? new one on the left Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 ok so I answered my own question the drive shaft will not bolt up to the new flange, the new one the holes are more spread out. but now I feel like if I were to switch them, at the bottom of the old flange where it starts to cup around the housing will not fit around the new one. i don't have a caliper to measure will it fit or am I wasting my time? Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 If they are both H190s, it will fit, I change them all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 how would i identify a h190 by looking off of the vin sticker? this is what i went by you can check your tag on your 720 to see what one yours came with. It will read HF37 or HF38 ect... I put 3.889 in my 521 just swapping the gear set... http://community.ratsun.net/topic/52724-help-720-to-521-rear-end-gears-help/?hl=%2B521+%2Bh190&do=findComment&comment=893757 and this Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Only the 2wd 4 cylinder Hardbodys got the H-190. HF38 I'm pretty sure the F is for 190 and 38 is 3.889 ratio. I hate to say this but I bet the 521 flange spline is smaller than the pinion spline on the Hardbody it has to mate to. Only way to know is to remove but don't be surprised. Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 yea I removed them theres no way it would work. hopefully ill be able to make an exchange at another pick n pull Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Are the splines the same or not? Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 The splines are the same theres just no way to make it seal Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 The reason I ask is I had a 4wd diff from an early 720 ... should fit a 2wd right? Both are H-190 before the '83s changed to the C200 on the 4x4s. At some point the 4x4 driveshaft was made larger diameter and the flange bolt pattern diameter also enlarged. I figured just swap the 2wd flange onto it, but no. Nissan also changed the pinion spline on them. Figured maybe they kept this on through the Hardbody. Good to know thanks. Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I put a 620 pinion flange on a 1993 hardbody H190 LSD, that is how I convinced myself it actually was an H190, it was a 2wd truck. Here is the H190 LSD with the 620 pinion flange, it had that huge flange on it originally. Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 so the 620 flange is different from the 521 flange? Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 i found a 1990 pathfinder in pick n pull would i be able to use the diff from it? it would be really cool if it could work Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 No... the HG is an H-233 differential and is larger than the Ford 9". I have one in 4.625 ratio and must weigh 75 pounds. Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I thought it did look a little large but I left it alone because I don't remember reading anything about using a pathfinder diff just thought id ask Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 You would have to swap the complete axle... and its something like 2" or 3" wider on each side than a 521. Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 so the 620 flange is different from the 521 flange? As far as I know they are basically the same, but I don't know everything. I just know that I seen that LSD that was not marked as such under a hardbody( I spun one side and the otherside turned the same way), and a 620 right next to it, so I took the hardbody pumpkin out expecting to see a welded differential and got a big surprise, that is when I pulled a 620 axle and dropped it into the hardbody pumpkin and it fit, I still did not believe that is was a H190 for sure, so I installed the 620 pumpkin into the hardbody axle and slid the hardbody axle into the 620 pumpkin, that is when I realized I actually did have the rare sought after LSD H190, the only issue I had then was that the pinion flange was a different pattern than the driveline flange pattern I have on my trucks, so i removed the hardbody pinion flange, I removed the 620 pinion flange and compared them, the part that went into the pumpkins looked the same, so I put the 620 flange into the hardbody H190 LSD and it fit, so I went into the office and bought the pumpkin for about $99.00, and walked out of there very happy, I also purchased a set of 720 4X4 leafs, and 521 windshield, the carrier for a C200, I bought a bunch of stuff that day, here is a link to that post in my acquisition thread. http://community.ratsun.net/topic/38208-waynos-acquisitions-ect/page-6?do=findComment&comment=973694 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 wayno I've known of these for years but this is the first even seen. It should have an orange LSD sticker on the bum. It was an option for 4 cylinder 2wd D-21s. Only down side is the gearing ain't great but that can be swapped. Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 wayno I've known of these for years but this is the first even seen. It should have an orange LSD sticker on the bum. It was an option for 4 cylinder 2wd D-21s. Only down side is the gearing ain't great but that can be swapped. Yea, the gearing is 354, my SD25 diesel can turn them as it is turning that gearing now, but why would I need a posi, if I was going out in the woods to get wood, and had a low range, it would be great, but for a daily driver that has the hole shot of a glacier, there is no point. Selmers on here has a 720 with a factory posi I believe. This rearend housing that had the LSD was not marked, as I looked at that when both drums turned the same way at the yard, that is why I thought it would be a welded differential, I was very surprised, and that is why I went through all that effort to make sure it was a real H190 LSD, I just didn't believe it was one, I am not that lucky usually, that was a good day for me, everything I bought that day was good and worked, 4X4 leafs, a C200 carrier that actually worked in my dually rearend housing that came from a late Nissan 4X4, so now I know where to get parts for them, a good 521 windshield, and that LSD, it was a good day. Quote Link to comment
Loren O Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 So,if I was looking for one of these h190 lsd's which 4 cyl,2wd trucks possibly have them? Also,doesn't a 510 wagon also use a h190 ? Would this differential be a possible swap into a wagon as well? I understand that the gears might need to be changed to make it a daily driveable car,or truck whichever it would be swapped into. Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 So,if I was looking for one of these h190 lsd's which 4 cyl,2wd trucks possibly have them? Also,doesn't a 510 wagon also use a h190 ? Would this differential be a possible swap into a wagon as well? I understand that the gears might need to be changed to make it a daily driveable car,or truck whichever it would be swapped into. Early wagons have the H190, but have different axles, although you might be able to swap the side gears in the LSD also, I do not actually have the answer to that question. I found mine in a 93 hardbody, all you can do is walk through the wrecking yards and turn the drums on every hardbody and 720 that has an H190, if the other drum turns the same way, then investigate further by dropping the pumpkin out and taking a look. I found mine at the foster rd PNP, that was a good day for me, a very good day, I bought almost $400.00 in parts that day. Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 so the 620 flange is different from the 521 flange? im assuming now that the 620 flange would be more like the 720 flange. 720 flange on the left wasnt the gearing i wanted but am still very satisfied with the out come well worth it Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 Did you have to get the drive shaft customized? Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 nope every thing bolted rite up Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 How did you solve the problem? the drive shaft will not bolt up to the new flange, the new one the holes are more spread out. but now I feel like if I were to switch them, at the bottom of the old flange where it starts to cup around the housing will not fit around the new one.l Quote Link to comment
EastBay521 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 that was with the hard body flange. I was able to locate a 720 in pnp so I exchanged the original 3rd member I had purchased which was from an 89 HB with the 720 one. the only difference was the pinion flange 1 Quote Link to comment
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