Ryan Family 510 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Just removed my control arm to replace the bushings. Yes they are poly and I got them from Andy's Auto Sport. That's a whole other conversation. Here is the problem: 1.2 inches inside 1.39 bushing Please don't tell me these are the correct size and I have to press the inner sleeve out of the control arm. I called Andy's auto and they are looking into it. Am I a total loser and don't know what I am doing or are these the wrong size bushings??? I'll accept any sarcasm or help at this point. Quote Link to comment
DISLEXICDIME Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 68/69 have smaller control arm bushing. Swap to later arms Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I believe......That inner sleeve was part of the OE bushing which has to be removed for those polys to fit. Same would apply if using stock rubber bushings Why not go with an OE rubber bushing? 2 Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I cut mine out with a hacksaw....made 2 cuts length wise about 1/2" apart. Removed that piece and basically the rest of the sleeve fell out. Had new Moogs (Made in Japan) pressed in Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I cut mine out with a hacksaw....made 2 cuts length wise about 1/2" apart. Removed that piece and basically the rest of the sleeve fell out. Had new Moogs (Made in Japan) pressed in If I'm cutting the sleeves out, and want to use the bushings I ordered, I wouldn't want to press new sleeves in, right. This idiot is confused Clarify, I'm calling myself an idiot Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Re-reading this again, I can cut that sleeve out and use those poly bushings? Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Measure the OD on that sleeve....pretty sure that is about the same size as those polys That sleeve has to be pressed or cut out...no sleeve alone will be pressed back in....just the bushings Stock ones have the sleeve attached to the rubber bushing Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Ok, I get it. I'll cut that sleeve out and run the bushings I bought. Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Yep, I had to cut the sleeve out. DO NOT PRESS IT OUT!!!! you will bend the arm. Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Started cutting, got to a point when I started getting real nervious about going to deep. So I stopped. Decided I would take it to a machine shop this weekend. I'll update this and let you know what I ended up doing Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 next issue, ball joint: Ok, so the new ball joint shaft is larger than the old one and will not fit into the steering arm. I'm sure this is a common problem. What's the solution? Can I have the steering arm drilled out, or can I get a new aftermarket steering arm. Have not searched the web for a new arm yet. But that is next on the list. Suggestions? Quote Link to comment
dr.feltersnatch Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 there are 2 styles of ball joints. an 11mm (early)and a 14mm (late). i think you need the 11mm ones or a later arm. Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I have a feeling if I find a later arm, the tie rod will be a tad larger and won't fit mine. Should have known better and measured the thing before I ordered it. Thanks for the advice! Quote Link to comment
KlassicMotion Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think the larger ball joint is a common swap for early cars. If someone else doesn't chime in, search around. I'm sure it's an easy swap and probably worth it. Quote Link to comment
KlassicMotion Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Here you go: http://community.ratsun.net/topic/58024-69-510-steering-arm-help-11mm-vs-14mm-ball-joints/ Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Klassic, thanks for finding that. If I am reading correctly, I can tap/enlarge my stock steering arm and use the bigger and much newer ball joint? That is what I would prefer to do. Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 By the way, finally got the sleeve cut out. Did not take it to the machine shop. Now as soon as I get the ball joint figured out, I can put the front suspension back together Quote Link to comment
KlassicMotion Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Yeah, it looks like you have three options: One, find a later arm. Two, buy this reamer and cut to fit http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-Tapered-Ball-Joint-Reamer-7-Degree,2918.html . Three, take the old arm to a machine shop that already has that reamer and have them cut to fit. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I believe it's a taper not a straight hole. Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Yes, it is tapered. I'll update the results when we finish. Quote Link to comment
Ryan Family 510 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hold the phone people. This 7 degree looks to be standard not metric. If I know how deep the shaft of the ball joint should be into the steering arm then I can get it pretty close. From the looks of things, the smooth end of the shaft only penetrates about an 1/8 inch ( ha! That's what she said!). So what is the proper depth? Quote Link to comment
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