king bee66 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 sorry to take this thread off topic. theyre too many 510 cross members laying around here, im afraid. there is a 710 ive been picking at though, any chance its similar to the 510 cross member? edit: i guess i could just take some measurements and figure out on my one, lol Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 sorry to take this thread off topic. It's Ratsun. It should probably be called "Off Topic". :rofl: theyre too many 510 cross members laying around here, im afraid. there is a 710 ive been picking at though, any chance its similar to the 510 cross member? edit: i guess i could just take some measurements and figure out on my one, lol There's a very good chance, yes. :thumbup: 610 stuff is a lot bigger, 710 stuff isn't. Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's Ratsun. It should probably be called "Off Topic". :rofl: There's a very good chance, yes. :thumbup: 610 stuff is a lot bigger, 710 stuff isn't. Wait, I thought the 610 steering assembly was basically the same as the B210? So the cross member is way different (too big)? Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Wait, I thought the 610 steering assembly was basically the same as the B210? So the cross member is way different (too big)? Crossmember is very different. At least on my '74 610 (HL610) it was. Maybe the earlier PL610 stuff is more similar? One neat thing about the HL610 crossmember is that the engine mount stand-ups are not spot-welded on like everything else. They bolt on. :thumbup: I'm partially basing my assumption on the fact that a 610 is just a much bigger car than a B210. A 710 isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment
RedBanner Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yes sir. The crossmember itself is identical, only the stand-ups for the engine mounts are different. From the looks of it, the control arms, sway bar, and TC rods are also identical to 510 parts. Swapping an L-series into a US-market B210 would be super simple. :thumbup: 510 crossmember, long shaft tranny, and auto b210 drive shaft bolt in. Did it with a short block. L210b looks like it would work perfect, but mabe not with a down draft carb. Su's no problem. Hood clearence with a l18 might be better. Or maybe I had tall motor mounts, that's happened befor. I had heard an auto trans crossmember would fit flipped around but it does not. There is a guy on datsun1200com who gave his rundown and most of it checks out.. Quote Link to comment
RedBanner Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 A 710 crossmember is basicly the same as a 510. So who is going to build an a-series 510? Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 So who is going to build an a-series 510? Mexico. And lots of them. :rofl: Actually, J15, but looks like an A15... ^_^ Quote Link to comment
king bee66 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 ill go have a look at the 710 crossmember when i have a chance than, to see whats up. id have consider taking the l20 too, but someone already took the head off and rusted out the cylinders. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 L20B with stock carb fits under the hood of a B210. L20B is only 3/4" taller or so than L16. Quote Link to comment
RedBanner Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 It looked real close with the aircleaner on. So close that it would probably tap the hood support while running. But the motor mounts sealed tall to me. Just some I had from Idk what. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 It even fits under the hood of B110. Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 My question is...any more pics of the V8 swap yet? Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 any more pics of the V8 swap yet? Not yet. Maybe Saturday. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Don't ruin it ... seen too many V8 projects not finished ... Oh wait, it's Tim. It'll get done. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 i am following this closely because of my own engine swap tendencies, and I can just watch and learn without saying much. All descriptions are good and I am at a lack of questions...but not ideas...I do have a Poly 318 with some go-fast goodies and a OD 518 sitting idle... Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Don't ruin it ... seen too many V8 projects not finished ... Oh wait, it's Tim. It'll get done. Yes, it will be finished. And in probably quite short order. B) If we can build this from scratch, we can finish a V8 swap. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 I do have a Poly 318 with some go-fast goodies and a OD 518 sitting idle... FWIW, the Ford V8 is a squeeze. Do-able, but a tight squeeze nonetheless. Since the Dodge and Chevrolet V8s are physically bigger, that may be an idea best left unexplored. But stranger things have happened. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 FWIW, the Ford V8 is a squeeze. Do-able, but a tight squeeze nonetheless. Since the Dodge and Chevrolet V8s are physically bigger, that may be an idea best left unexplored. But stranger things have happened. :thumbup: The Poly motor is also known as "wide block 318" so probably not the best idea. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Well, once it's in there I'll take some measurements and see. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Flipped 510 crossmember in... First engine test fit Tim making engine brackets to adapt the '66 Mustang motor mounts to the 510 engine stands... Brackets bolted in temporarily... Engine sitting on the new brackets... Lastly, a little suspension update. Swapped out the front 280ZX hubs for 300ZX hubs to increase the track a bit so we can fit the 16x7 front and 16x8 rear Rays Gram Lights on the car. No, we will not be running tires this tall on the finished product. But hopefully at least this wide (or wider). Because of the obvious increase in power, part of the reason we swapped front hubs was so we could run these (13" rotor, aluminum caliper) Xterra brakes on the front. Will also be running the 12.75" Xterra rear rotors on the Ford 8" rear end with some aluminum Kia Spectra calipers. :thumbup: 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Addendum: I will stand by the "no modification to install". Put it in the car today and popped right in with zero fuss. But... :blush: What we found out after the fact intrigued me. After we put it on the ground I noticed we had a bit more negative camber than before the crossmember swap. Apparently, the control arm pivots are not in the same location. The 510s LCA mounts are 1/2" further apart. So swapping in this crossmember moves the bottom of the wheels out 1/4" per side. Not enough to screw everything up, basically gained 1.5 degrees of negative camber per side. Going to measure the 510 control arms to see if they are shorter. Hard to believe a 510 would have a wider track than a B210, but maybe... Addendum #2: Yes, the 510 crossmember has the LCA pickup points 1" further apart (making the track 1/2" wider per side). We measured the 510 LCAs compared to the B210 LCAs and they are indeed 1/2" shorter. So, if you swap the 510 crossmember into your B210 for the better mounts and DON'T want the extra track width, then get the LCAs from the 510 also. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 will change the bump steer, but probably will be OK after adjusting the toe-in are you going to use a C4 transmission? They are fairly small. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 are you going to use a C4 transmission? They are fairly small. No sir, Borg-Warner T5 from an '88 Mustang GT. :thumbup: Tim doesn't do automatic transmissions. B) Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 love this, love everything about it Quote Link to comment
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