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#241 datzenmike

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 07:42 PM

The zx coil spring is too large a diameter so you will need to cut the zx spring perch off and swap the 510 perch and spring on.
 
 
 

Strictly, you do not have to used coil overs to have an adjustable height.The zx struts are 1 1/2" shorter than the stock 510 struts and yes the spindle is at the same angle. The zx spring is way, way too large a diameter to fit up inside the 510 strut tower so it has to go. What you can do is carefully trim off the lower spring mount from the old 510 strut and trim off one coil from the spring. Removing a coil will increase the spring rate... a good thing on a lowered car to reduce suspension travel and firm up the ride. Not totally necessary but stock springs are always a compromise and on the soft side. Do the same to the zx strut and grind the remaining weld down smooth on the strut tube. Now slip the 510 lower spring mount and shorter spring on the zx strut tube and assemble with the old 510 top hat. To prevent the spring perch from sliding down the tube use a split collar that can be moved up or down to set the height.

Trim just above the weld on the lower spring perch with angle grinder and 6" metal cutting blade.
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Tap the perch loos and off...
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Remove and grind down the weld till smooth so the split collar can slide smoothly and grip the strut tube.
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Loosely assembled strut with spring, spring perch and split collar underneath. The split collar will withstand 6,000 lbs each! That's almost three 510s on each split collar... they won't slip when tightened.
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I did this on my 710 which has similar struts and brakes to the 510, using Maxima wagon struts which are almost exactly the same as the zx struts.
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Maxima and 710 struts and brakes.
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One additional thing I did was increase the damping to compliment the increased spring rate. To do this is easy, I just removed the gland nut.... thanks for picture.

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and poured out the very thin watery hydraulic oil. (looks like 5 or 10W) I refilled the strut with 20w motorcycle fork oil which is high in rust inhibitors and anti foaming agents and also comes in a variety of different weights. The hardest part was holding upside down and pulling the strut rod out and pushing in to dispel any bubbles when bleeding them. Leave a 1/2" of space at the top for heat expansion.

Cost?
$3.50............ metal cutting blade
$20............... two two inch split collars
$17............... 1 liter of 20W BellRay fork oil. Enough for three struts. (you can use $5 a gallon hydraulic jack oil or Auto trans fluid too)

Total about $50

Not as easy as $350-$1,200 coil overs to adjust, but hey, once you get the ride height you want how many times a week you going to adjust it anyway???????

edit: I see it's for a 210 so just sub 210 where it says 510. One coil removed from the 710 increases the spring rate from 100 to 150 lbs per inch or about 50%. I don't know what the 210 rate would be

 
 
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 10:31 PM

Can I use my 510 rca's with the 280zx struts?

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 05:00 AM

Can I use my 510 rca's with the 280zx struts?

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 08:42 PM

Thanks

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 12:18 PM

Hey everyone, thanks for all your help with answering all my questions about converting my front suspension and upgrading my breaks. One other question is what years 280 zx are compatible with my 71 510?

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 04:26 PM

All years of zx front struts are. That's '79-'83 280zx or S130.... turbo, non turbo, it doesn't matter. For rear calipers the '82/'83 are more desirable. 

 

Keep in mind that stock 13" rims probably won't fit over these large calipers.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 06:26 PM

You want the earlier (79-81) master cylinder if you are going to use the 280zx master. The later ones switched bolt pattern
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 06:55 PM

I've FINALLY gotten around to doing this brake swap. I've been sitting on a set of Maxima struts since April 2006, according to my project blog, dragging them along with me to California when I moved down there, brought them back up to Washington when I moved back here. I've had a bit more time to wrench on things, so here we go.

 

The 510 perches have been cut/welded onto the 280zx struts, new strut inserts installed, everything sealed up and installed. And THEN I read this thread about swapping left-to-right, so I'll get those flipped this week. I haven't addressed bleeding the lines yet, so this should be fairly easy.

 

I picked up the brake master cylinder for the 280zx. Quick question: is the push-rod interchangeable? The 280zx didn't come with a push rod, so I hope it's an easy swap. If not, is there a known adjustment or tweak that needs to be made?

Next - I see from some research that the 280zx MC has check valves that need to be removed if running disc brakes all around. That's my plan. Is there anything else I need to be aware of?



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Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:14 PM

Negative. The zx had front and rear disc brakes so if you do too it's good to go.

 

I have rear drums so I took the rear residual valve out of my 710 and put it into the 15/16 zx master.

 

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:27 PM

And the push-rod question?



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Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:43 PM

Don't know, I have vacuum booster. The 15/16" master went right on in place of the (I think) 13/16". To guess, I would say yes. The push rods have adjustment. Make sure you have about 2mm of pedal play.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:34 PM

And the push-rod question?

 

If you have the rod adjusted correctly, the stock pushrod will stay in the master just fine without actually being "attached" to the master. That is the best way. 


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 08:09 PM

MC swapped out, pushrod addressed. Next step is to replace the struts left-to-right to avoid the sudden death-by-break-failure issue. 

 

I'm about to do the rear disc conversion on the 510, but I have to order the parts. I just need to wait until next pay day. Sigh. I blew the budget on boat expenses, which are quite a bit more than car expenses.

 

I'm tempted to run without the rear discs, just so I can get the car back on the road sooner than later. But... on the other hand, I have a radiator swap to do (which means I have to re-located my turbo cooler source), as well as install the intercooler (which means I have to fabricate some new plumbing), so it's not like the car is going to get "done" any time in the near future. 



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 08:17 PM

The problem is only a problem when the disc brake pads wear down below half way and the caliper shifts to take up the wear. Supposedly it can hit the steering knuckle or something. I have Maxima struts, calipers and huge vented rotors on a 710 and I looked at them and could see nothing whatever near enough to get in the way. So maybe this is 510 or zx caliper specific


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:02 PM

Supposedly it can hit the steering knuckle or something. I have Maxima struts, calipers and huge vented rotors on a 710 

 

Well, Maxima rotors are a bit smaller than 280ZX rotors so it's possible the caliper is in a slightly different spot?

 

 

maybe this is 510 or zx caliper specific

 

Could very well be. But I've also seen it on 210s and 610s, so...

 

 

Besides that it doesn't hurt anything to swap side-to-side. In fact, it only helps.  :thumbup:


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:05 AM

Hey Everyone, quick question on the 280zx swap that I have not yet seen mentioned. 

I bought my 510 with a coilover kit and what i believe to be 510 strut casings/spindle (i have stock 510 brakes) It wont let me upload a picture but they are have a red spring, gold adjusters, a red anodized screw casing and galvanized strut casing. Similar to T3 but different height adjstment and strut casing.  I am unsure what brand of coilover this is (was told it was troy ermish with T3 camber plates but I dont see a similar product on his site. any help to ID this setup is appreciated). 

 

My question is, can I keep the current 510 arm/spindle assembly and just put on the 280zx hub and brakes?  Is the strut casing removable, allowing me to pull over the 280zx strut casings and spindle with the rest of the assembly and put on the current coilovers?

 

I have a guy selling the 280zx assembly and master cylinder for cheap but I want to be sure they will work with the coilovers I already have. 



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:46 AM

ZX hub and brakes won’t fit 510 spindle. You can remove the ZX spring perch and either weld on a piece for the collar to sit on or use a split collar. Then everything else from your current coilovers should swap over to the ZX casings with no issues. The only possible catch would be if you have cartridge inserts in your 510 struts, they may be too tall for ZX struts. With a set of roll center adjusters you don’t have to swap left to right either.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 06:56 AM

When I did it, I reversed mine(L to R, R to L). Otherwise the caliper has clearance issues. They bolt right in, but as was mentioned, the springs are too large. You have to either go with coilovers or weld the 510 spring perch onto the ZX strut.



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Posted 25 February 2018 - 08:49 AM

When I did it, I reversed mine(L to R, R to L). Otherwise the caliper has clearance issues. They bolt right in, but as was mentioned, the springs are too large. You have to either go with coilovers or weld the 510 spring perch onto the ZX strut.

Is there a question in here? Just move the coilover sleeve to the ZX struts. Flip the struts right for left or use RCA /bump steer spacers to avoid possible caliper to tie rod interference.
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 08:59 AM

The 280zx hub uses a larger inner/outer wheel bearing than the 510 spindle will be able to handle. The caliper mounting bolt pattern on the 510 struts is different than the zx caliper so that won't fit either.


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