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Posted 01 March 2011 - 04:22 PM

want to put a 5 speed in my 1972 521. is it the same as an L20

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 04:34 PM

want to put a 5 speed in my 1972 521. is it the same as an L20


Sry, you caught me while i was researching 5 speeds.... i have a 620 with a fs5w71b.... from what ive read so far i dont see why it wouldnt

There are 2 types of tranny's...the short tail and the long tail...
A "dogleg" five speed from a 200sx will bolt right in but they are weak...
A 280zx trans will require shortening the driveline...
here's some more info that was posted elsewhere:
Trucks: 

521 (all) : Short transmission with flanged output 

620 (72-73): Short transmission with sleeved output 

(everything else below has sleeved output) 

620 (74-79): Long transmission; 5-speed optional starting in '77 

720 (80): Long transmission 

720 (81-86) NAPS-Z type long transmission except 83+ 4X4 used a married transfer case. 

Cars: 

240Z: Long transission; early 70 models had a dealer-option 5-speed that was very weak. 

260Z: Long transmission, 4-speed only 

280Z: Long transmission, 5-speed optional starting in '77 

280ZX Non-Turbo: Long 5-speed 

280ZX Turbo: '82-83 had Borg-Warner T5 which is unlike any other Datsun transmission. 

510, 610, 710, 200SX through 1979: Short transmission. Starting in '77 the "dogleg" 5-speed was optional except in the 200SX where it was standard. 

200SX (80-83): Long-tail NAPS-Z type 5-speed 

510 (80-81): short-type NAPS-Z 4 and 5-speeds, some 5-speeds were doglegs and some were 210 type 5-speeds that were far too weak for the Z20S. 

810/810 Maxima (through '84): Long tail transmission. Rumor has it some early (76-79) 810s had the short tranny but all I've seen were long. 5-speeds optional starting '77 and standard by '81.

Get a 1975-79 620 truck speedo cable...the 720 4x4 is longer still.
and more....
FS5C71A: The original Nissan production 5-speed, used on some Roadsters and early 1970 Z's. Similar in construction to the Nissan Competition gearbox as it had a removeable bellhousing. But wasn't the NISMO close-ratio type. Very rare.

FS5C63A: That's the L-series dogleg. Came in both L-series and NAPS-Z type front housings. The L-series ones are more common as the 200SX '77-79 had it almost in every car. The '77 710 and the '78-79 510 had it as an option on everything but the Wagon. The NAPS-Z version was only used as an option on '80-81 510s and was very uncommon. In '81 they even tried the 60L below. Bad move...

FS5C60L: Another dogleg, used on some late '81 510s but usually used on 210s (2 different cases, A-series and NAPS-Z). You do NOT want that tranny. Reason below.

FS5C56A: Close-ratio A-series 5-speed (used on B210s and some 210s but it is non-overdrive. I have one, if I ever get another B210 or a 1200. Or I'd trade for a L or Z series dogleg (63A). Only saving grace is it's close-ratio. It doesn't handle torque at all.

FS5C71B: Used in the 280Z, ZX, and 620 and 720 trucks. Came in both the L-series and NAPS-Z type front cases.

FS5C71C: Used in 300ZXs and late 720s/early D21 (hardbodies). Came in VG-series front cases and NAPS-Z.


Torque ratings for the various series transmissions (stolen from the Datsun 1200 page)

56A 4 speeds 105 ft/lbs
56A option boxes 120 ft/lb
60 series boxes 135 ft/lb
63 series boxes 175 ft/lb
71B series boxes 240 ft/lb
71C series boxes 300 ft/lb

You can see why you don't want the little doglegs on a monster engine. The Borg-Warner T-5 (used on '82-83 turbo 280ZXs) is good for even more (340+).

The cases can only be swapped for like type transmissions- 63A to 63A or 71B to 71B. All Nissan transmissions were 2-part (front housing and extension housing) except the 71A and Comptetion boxes which were 3-piece (removeable bell).

L-series transmissions: 
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F4W63 (1967-1976). Used on the original 510, 521, 610, 620 (through '73 only), 710 (through '76). Identification: Bolt-on bottom plate and visable ribbing over the main gear case.  Use threaded shift lever with 2 rubber cone bushings. Variants: 521 used output flange. All others used spline-sleeve. Short tail transmission. 

NOTE: Transmission also used on J-series and R-series engines with different bell pattern. 
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F4W63L (1976-mid 80s). Used on Late (78-on) 510s, late 710s ('77). Identification: Bolt on bottom plate but SMOOTH main gear case. Uses same shifter as previous. Short Tail transmission. 

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F4W70B (1969-73) 240Z 4-speed. Long tail transmission. 

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F4W71B (1974-80s). 260Z, 280Z, 620 pickup from '74-on, 720 pickup to mid-year '83, 810/810 Maxima. Identification: pinned-type shift lever. Rear extension of transmission has bolt-on cover plate. Long Tail transmission. 

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FS5W63A (1977-81) '77-79 200SX, '78-81 510. Identification: Dogleg shift pattern. Smooth rear case and NO bottom cover, pinned-type shifter. Short-tail transmission. 

Note: 5th gear overdrive. 

VARIANTS: '80-81 510 version was canted for NAPS-Z orientation. 

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FS5W60L: '81 510, rare. Also dogleg, more common to 210s with a different bell. Very short (shorter than the short-tail). 

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FS5C71A: (1968-70) Identification: Removeable bellhousing. Original production 5-speed, looks like the NISMO competition gearbox (it isn't one though). OD 5th. Used only in very early Z's. 

VARIANT: It's the roadster 5-speed with a U20/R series bell.    

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FS5C71B: 1977-80. 280Z, 280ZX (non-Turbo), 810, 620/720 pickup trucks. Identification: Looks just like the 4-speed longtail except it doesn't have the extension housing cover plate. Has "71B" cast on it.  Pin-type shifter. Longtail transmission, externally 100% swappable with the F4W71B. 

Note: Various gears, but 5th is always overdrive. 

Note 2: Never used on NAPS-Z. 

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FS5W71C (80-still in use) 

ID: Identical externally to 71B model except has "71C" cast on it. Used in 80-83 280ZX (non turbo), 810 Maxima. 

Variants: NAPS-Z pattern on 80-83 200SX/81-86 720, 86-89 D21, KA pattern (same as NAPS-Z) on D21, Frontier, Pathfinder, Xterra, very common gearbox. Unfortunately the bell isn't removeable so an entire front housing has to be changed. Later versions and 4X4 versions have different extension housings. Only used on 4-cyl after 1983. 

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Borg-Warner T5 

1982-83 280ZX Turbo. 

ID: Huge. Shifter assembly bolts into an attachment box (linkage is internal). Output shaft not Datsun-sized. This is the Non-World Class (NWC) BW T-5.
and more:
[code=auto:0]L-series, NAPS-Z and CA20 gearbox ratios

Notice that there are a few basic groupings of gear ratio sets.

The '77-'79 200sx/HL510 tranny uses stock 510 sedan 4-speed ratios with an OD. The '77-'79 200sx/HL510 tranny is the dogleg 5-speed with reverse-above-1st gear pattern, same length as stock 4-speed so no driveshaft shortening needed to swap. This is a well spaced gearset but the OD gear could stand to be slightly taller.

The Z22E 7/81-9/83 200sx and the truck #1 (plus an overdrive) are same as the late 240 and 280Z 4-speed ratios. Ratios not particularly well spaced. NAPS-Z tranny can be bolted to a L-series engine but the shifter will be angled toward passenger, bend lever to compensate or swap on a Z/ZX bellhousing.

The 280Z 5-speed ratios are largely "re-used" for the Maxima, 6/79-6/81 200sx w/ Z20e, nismo wide ratio, truck #2. Ratios are poorly spaced. The 11/84-2/86 200sx w/ CA20 is very similar except it has much better gear ratio for 2nd that closes the huge 2nd-3rd hole in the 280Z pattern. For use with an L-series, a 280Z/ZX style bellhousing must be swaped onto the CA20 tranny case and bellhousing modified to match with larger diameter CA20 shifter rods, and use smaller OD 280zx jackshaft bearing

The roadster, 280ZX and nismo close ratio gearsets are fairly similar. 1st gear on these trannys is too tall for stock 3.9:1 510 differential, street starting acceleration suffer. Otherwize, nicely spaced ratios except for the too-tall .745 ZX 5th gear. The 1980 ZX gearbox has slightly shorter 5th gear and would be prefered.

'83-10/'84 200sx w/CA20 and the truck # 3 use same ratios. This is often touted as the best gearsets for a 4-cylinder 510. Very low 1st gear for fast starting acceleration and smooth progression of jumps between ratios. For use with an L-series, a 280Z/ZX style bellhousing must be swaped onto the CA20 tranny case and bellhousing modified to match with larger diameter CA20 shifter rods, and use smaller OD 280zx jackshaft bearing. Sorry, I dont know what years/models of trucks corrospond to truck #1, #2, #3 gearset

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 06:27 PM

:blink:im suprized datzenmike hasnt stopped by here to call me a fail boat, and correct everything

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 06:41 PM

:blink:im suprized datzenmike hasnt stopped by here to call me a fail boat, and correct everything


Well, when you copy and paste every bit of your information...it's not yours to correct.

http://forums.nicocl...on-t375359.html

Not to mention that it's only been a couple of hours. :P

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 06:53 PM

want to put a 5 speed in my 1972 521. is it the same as an L20


If you're asking if an L20b's trans will bolt to your L16...yes it will bolt up. Now depending on whether it's a long(31") or the short(26ish") will depend on other mods that need to be done. There is so much info on this forum regarding swapping transmissions. The above posted info is solid. But just know that you will need to do more than just source the trans and bolt it up.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 06:54 PM

Well, when you copy and paste every bit of your information...it's not yours to correct.

http://forums.nicocl...on-t375359.html

Not to mention that it's only been a couple of hours. :P



ummm yeah, copy and paste, because ppl cant seem to be able to search the web for themselves all i typed into bing was "521 5 speed" and viola .5 seconds into that search i found all that glorious info....... and the "its not yours to correct" comment is kinnda a needless thing to say since i never said it was my info, nor did i correct anything.... kinnda sounds like you added that part just to be a dick.... but anyways the reason i said something about mikes was because another user and i were laughing about how tonight he seems to chime in 5 mins after anything is said ..... and congrats... :fu:

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:00 PM

If you're asking if an L20b's trans will bolt to your L16...yes it will bolt up. Now depending on whether it's a long(31") or the short(26ish") will depend on other mods that need to be done. There is so much info on this forum regarding swapping transmissions. The above posted info is solid. But just know that you will need to do more than just source the trans and bolt it up.



yeah thats true... im going off memory here, but i could have sworn on my 521 i used the standard l20b's fs5w71b trans... and i had to have the drive shaft shortend.... but i do agree, it isnt just a "plug and play" thing, do some homework, find the parts and keep in mind you might have to have things tweaked to get it to work

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:13 PM

ummm yeah, copy and paste, because ppl cant seem to be able to search the web for themselves all i typed into bing was "521 5 speed" and viola .5 seconds into that search i found all that glorious info....... and the "its not yours to correct" comment is kinnda a needless thing to say since i never said it was my info, nor did i correct anything.... kinnda sounds like you added that part just to be a dick.... but anyways the reason i said something about mikes was because another user and i were laughing about how tonight he seems to chime in 5 mins after anything is said ..... and congrats... :fu:


:fu: Just razzin ya man. That page I have linked had been an open window on my laptop for like 5 weeks. Just keep forgetting to close it.

But yeah...Google goes a long way. I no where near "guru" enough to go tell someone else to search. Cuz I know the second I slip, and ask a stupid question someone's gonna hit me with the"search noob" response.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:22 PM

Wow lots of mistakes were made on this list.

Sry, you caught me while i was researching 5 speeds.... i have a 620 with a fs5w71b.... from what ive read so far i dont see why it wouldnt

There are 2 types of tranny's...the short tail and the long tail...
A "dogleg" five speed from a 200sx will bolt right in but they are weak... Weak compared to the stronger trannys above it, but stronger than the 4 speed it's replacing.
A 280zx trans will require shortening the driveline...
here's some more info that was posted elsewhere:
Trucks:

521 (all) : Short transmission with flanged output

620 (72-73): Short transmission with sleeved output

(everything else below has sleeved output)

620 (74-79): Long transmission; 5-speed optional starting in '77

720 (80): Long transmission

720 (81-86) NAPS-Z type long transmission except 83+ 4X4 used a married transfer case. All 720s used a T-100 divorced transfer case. There were short (26") and long (31.5") 720 transmissions used.

Cars:

240Z: Long transission; early 70 models had a dealer-option 5-speed that was very weak. Not particularly weak, it was the same one used in the earlier Roadster with an L bell fitted.

260Z: Long transmission, 4-speed only

280Z: Long transmission, 5-speed optional starting in '77

280ZX Non-Turbo: Long 5-speed

280ZX Turbo: '82-83 had Borg-Warner T5 which is unlike any other Datsun transmission and longer.

510, 610, 710, 200SX through 1979: Short transmission. Starting in '77 the "dogleg" 5-speed was optional except in the 200SX where it was standard. The 610 had a long four speed and automatic. 710s had a long automatic.

200SX (80-83): Long-tail NAPS-Z type 5-speed

510 (80-81): short-type NAPS-Z 4 and 5-speeds, some 5-speeds were doglegs and some were 210 type 5-speeds that were far too weak for the Z20S. The HL510 (A-10) had short L series and Z series 4 speeds and there was an available 5 speed dogleg (like the 200sx) in both L and Z series.

810/810 Maxima (through '84): Long tail transmission. Rumor has it some early (76-79) 810s had the short tranny but all I've seen were long. 5-speeds optional starting '77 and standard by '81. 810s were '77 and up and had long 4 speeds till '80. Five speeds were an option in '79 and '80 and only 5 speeds from '81 through '84.

Get a 1975-79 620 truck speedo cable...the 720 4x4 is longer still.[/code]
and more....
FS5C71A: The original Nissan production 5-speed, used on some Roadsters and early 1970 Z's. Similar in construction to the Nissan Competition gearbox as it had a removeable bellhousing. But wasn't the NISMO close-ratio type. Very rare.

FS5C63A: That's the L-series dogleg. Came in both L-series and NAPS-Z type front housings. The L-series ones are more common as the 200SX '77-79 had it almost in every car. The '77 710 and the '78-79 510 had it as an option on everything but the Wagon. The NAPS-Z version was only used as an option on '80-81 510s and was very uncommon. In '81 they even tried the 60L below. Bad move... That's the FS5W63A dogleg and was the only standard transmission on the '77-'79 200sx. The '77 710 did not have a dogleg option but it was an option on the HL510 (A-10)

FS5C60L: Another dogleg, used on some late '81 510s but usually used on 210s (2 different cases, A-series and NAPS-Z). You do NOT want that tranny. Reason below. The '81 HL510 (A-10) had an optional FS5W63A dogleg 5spd as mentioned several lines up otherwise it has an F4W63 just like the early 510. Both 4 and 5 spds came in L and Z series. Any transmission marked with a C and not a W, is a competition box and not sold in any car.

FS5C56A: Close-ratio A-series 5-speed (used on B210s and some 210s but it is non-overdrive. I have one, if I ever get another B210 or a 1200. Or I'd trade for a L or Z series dogleg (63A). Only saving grace is it's close-ratio. It doesn't handle torque at all. Any transmission marked with an S is an overdrive 5 speed. This should read F5C56A.


FS5C71B: Used in the 280Z, ZX, and 620 and 720 trucks. Came in both the L-series and NAPS-Z type front cases. Again the C denotes Porsche steel synchro rings used only in competition boxes. The FS5W71B was used in the 280x and zx, 810/Maxima, late 620 and first year 720 with an L series bolt pattern. It did come with the NAPS Z series case but also with the SD, LD and CA case as well.

FS5C71C: Used in 300ZXs and late 720s/early D21 (hardbodies). Came in VG-series front cases and NAPS-Z. Again the C denotes Porsche steel synchro rings used only in competition boxes. Should read FS5W71C. Was never used in the 720s. Used only on the non turbo 300zx.


Torque ratings for the various series transmissions (stolen from the Datsun 1200 page)

56A 4 speeds 105 ft/lbs
56A option boxes 120 ft/lb
60 series boxes 135 ft/lb
63 series boxes 175 ft/lb
71B series boxes 240 ft/lb
71C series boxes 300 ft/lb

You can see why you don't want the little doglegs on a monster engine. The Borg-Warner T-5 (used on '82-83 turbo 280ZXs) is good for even more (340+). The T-5 used in the turbo 280zx/300zx is not the 'World Class' Borg Warner like used in the Camaro and 5.0 Mustang. It's not that strong and when 300zx owners blow them up they swap in the FS5W71C.

The cases can only be swapped for like type transmissions- 63A to 63A or 71B to 71B. All Nissan transmissions were 2-part (front housing and extension housing) except the 71A and Comptetion boxes which were 3-piece (removeable bell). The FS5W71B case can be swapped onto the FS5W71C also.

]L-series transmissions:
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F4W63 (1967-1976). Used on the original 510, 521, 610, 620 (through '73 only), 710 (through '76). Identification: Bolt-on bottom plate and visable ribbing over the main gear case. Use threaded shift lever with 2 rubber cone bushings. Variants: 521 used output flange. All others used spline-sleeve. Short tail transmission. Wrong, the one used in the 610 was a long tail.

NOTE: Transmission also used on J-series and R-series engines with different bell pattern.
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F4W63L (1976-mid 80s). Used on Late (78-on) 510s, late 710s ('77). Identification: Bolt on bottom plate but SMOOTH main gear case. Uses same shifter as previous. Short Tail transmission.

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F4W70B (1969-73) 240Z 4-speed. Long tail transmission. F4W71A used until Aug. '71

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F4W71B (1974-80s). 260Z, 280Z, 620 pickup from '74-on, 720 pickup to mid-year '83, 810/810 Maxima. Identification: pinned-type shift lever. Rear extension of transmission has bolt-on cover plate. Long Tail transmission. From Sept. '71 on the 240z and last used on the '79 280zx, on the 720s until Oct. '82, on the 810 through '80.

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FS5W63A (1977-81) '77-79 200SX, '78-81 510. Identification: Dogleg shift pattern. Smooth rear case and NO bottom cover, pinned-type shifter. Short-tail transmission. Only a rare option on the HL510 (A-10)

Note: 5th gear overdrive.

VARIANTS: '80-81 510 version was canted for NAPS-Z orientation. Also with a closer ratio gear set compared to the L

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FS5W60L: '81 510, rare. Also dogleg, more common to 210s with a different bell. Very short (shorter than the short-tail). Never offered on the HL510 (A-10)

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FS5C71A: (1968-70) Identification: Removeable bellhousing. Original production 5-speed, looks like the NISMO competition gearbox (it isn't one though). OD 5th. Used only in very early Z's.

VARIANT: It's the roadster 5-speed with a U20/R series bell.

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FS5C71B: 1977-80. 280Z, 280ZX (non-Turbo), 810, 620/720 pickup trucks. Identification: Looks just like the 4-speed longtail except it doesn't have the extension housing cover plate. Has "71B" cast on it. Pin-type shifter. Longtail transmission, externally 100% swappable with the F4W71B. Again the C denotes Porsche steel synchro rings used only in competition boxes. This is the FS5W71B 5 speed. Came in two lengths in the 720 truck.

Note: Various gears, but 5th is always overdrive.

Note 2: Never used on NAPS-Z. Yes it was, also on the Maxima LD28diesel, the SD diesel 720s, CA18ET 200sx, S110 200sx Z series.

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FS5W71C (80-still in use) First introduced on the '83 300zx non turbo.

ID: Identical externally to 71B model except has "71C" cast on it. Used in 80-83 280ZX (non turbo), 810 Maxima. Never used on these cars. Is not identical to the 71B. The 71C has a totally different shifter and all models are longer.

Variants: NAPS-Z pattern on 80-83 200SX/81-86 720, 86-89 D21, KA pattern (same as NAPS-Z) on D21, Frontier, Pathfinder, Xterra, very common gearbox. Unfortunately the bell isn't removeable so an entire front housing has to be changed. Later versions and 4X4 versions have different extension housings. Only used on 4-cyl after 1983. Not used on the '80-'83 200sx or the 720. It was used well into the '90 with VG30 motors.

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Borg-Warner T5

1982-83 280ZX Turbo. Mid '82

ID: Huge. Shifter assembly bolts into an attachment box (linkage is internal). Output shaft not Datsun-sized. This is the Non-World Class (NWC) BW T-5.[/code]
and more:
[code=auto:0]L-series, NAPS-Z and CA20 gearbox ratios

Notice that there are a few basic groupings of gear ratio sets.

The '77-'79 200sx/HL510 tranny uses stock 510 sedan 4-speed ratios with an OD. The '77-'79 200sx/HL510 tranny is the dogleg 5-speed with reverse-above-1st gear pattern, same length as stock 4-speed so no driveshaft shortening needed to swap. This is a well spaced gearset but the OD gear could stand to be slightly taller. The dogleg is only a rare optional 5 speed on the HL510 (A-10)

The Z22E 7/81-9/83 200sx and the truck #1 (plus an overdrive) are same as the late 240 and 280Z 4-speed ratios. Ratios not particularly well spaced. NAPS-Z tranny can be bolted to a L-series engine but the shifter will be angled toward passenger, bend lever to compensate or swap on a Z/ZX bellhousing. Also the late 620/ '80 720 and the Maxima front case will work. A 4 speed case will work if the reverse light switch is moved.

The 280Z 5-speed ratios are largely "re-used" for the Maxima, 6/79-6/81 200sx w/ Z20e, nismo wide ratio, truck #2. Ratios are poorly spaced. The 11/84-2/86 200sx w/ CA20 is very similar except it has much better gear ratio for 2nd that closes the huge 2nd-3rd hole in the 280Z pattern. For use with an L-series, a 280Z/ZX style bellhousing must be swaped onto the CA20 tranny case and bellhousing modified to match with larger diameter CA20 shifter rods, and use smaller OD 280zx jackshaft bearing. Only the 1st /2nd shift rod hole needs to be enlarged.

The roadster, 280ZX and nismo close ratio gearsets are fairly similar. 1st gear on these trannys is too tall for stock 3.9:1 510 differential, street starting acceleration suffer. Otherwize, nicely spaced ratios except for the too-tall .745 ZX 5th gear. The 1980 ZX gearbox has slightly shorter 5th gear and would be prefered. This is why you would run a 4:11 or 4:375 differential with a 0.745 OD.

'83-10/'84 200sx w/CA20 and the truck # 3 use same ratios. This is often touted as the best gearsets for a 4-cylinder 510. Very low 1st gear for fast starting acceleration and smooth progression of jumps between ratios. For use with an L-series, a 280Z/ZX style bellhousing must be swaped onto the CA20 tranny case and bellhousing modified to match with larger diameter CA20 shifter rods, and use smaller OD 280zx jackshaft bearing. Sorry, I dont know what years/models of trucks corrospond to truck #1, #2, #3 gearset



:blink:im suprized datzenmike hasnt stopped by here to call me a fail boat, and correct everything


I would have but it took this long to do it.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:26 PM

:fu: Just razzin ya man. That page I have linked had been an open window on my laptop for like 5 weeks. Just keep forgetting to close it.

But yeah...Google goes a long way. I no where near "guru" enough to go tell someone else to search. Cuz I know the second I slip, and ask a stupid question someone's gonna hit me with the"search noob" response.



lol i had that same page open for about a month... i went to close it and i saw this post.... yah and that whole "search noob" response is kinnda messed up... this was kinnda a legit question... but some of the other questions like "why is my 38 year old datsun getting 22 mpg, when i have 1 flat tire an un tuned carb, a motor thats full of old sludge and a 510 in the trunk"..... lol those are the people that cause the whole "search noob thing

oh but back to the trans, there are several types of 5 speeds as youve seen... and there are different ratio's (wide, close, & normal: wich comes down to your preference) and like i said earlier, keep in mind that some things will have to be done to get it to work, good luck there stretch

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#11 flatcat19

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:43 PM

:blink:im suprized datzenmike hasnt stopped by here to call me a fail boat, and correct everything



Well, when you copy and paste every bit of your information...it's not yours to correct.

http://forums.nicocl...on-t375359.html

Not to mention that it's only been a couple of hours. :P



Wow lots of mistakes were made on this list.


It's not his fault Mike. :lol:

Who's got your back now, Bullet_Theory?

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:51 PM

:ninja:mike


It's not his fault Mike. :lol:

Who's got your back now, Bullet_Theory?



:rofl: darn..... your imput mike.... cuz ive been reading that for a loooooooooong while, and id like to know i havent invested time reading into a possibly crap post.... and im seriously starting to think hes a ninja.... cuz i didnt even know he posted

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 07:55 PM

Wow lots of mistakes were made on this list.


A "dogleg" five speed from a 200sx will bolt right in but they are weak... Weak compared to the stronger trannys above it, but stronger than the 4 speed it's replacing.


I would have but it took this long to do it.



" Don't confuse the L motor dogleg with the NapZ motor shortail dogleg."

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 08:22 PM

All N Am FS5W63A doglegs were short. Other than the L, A or Z bolt pattern they were the same. Well the L series had a wider and the Z series had a closer ratio set.

There are a few long L series doglegs out there but quite rare to find one. They did not come on any of our cars or trucks and I suspect they came here bolted to JDM import motors, though I do not know this for sure.

A series FS5W63A dogleg (left) and two L series doglegs (center and right)

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NAPS Z series FS5W63A dogleg from A-10

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Mystery Long L series dogleg 5 speeds

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It's not his fault Mike. :lol:


Yeah I know. This info is old stuff and some sounds like Jason Grey. I figured it was pasted.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 08:36 PM

Well, while we're at it...is there a close ratio short dog-leg that is stronger than stock 4 spd, and easy enough to get our(my) hands on? :confused:

Could you take a Z close-ratio trans and put an L bellhousing to make an L-suitable tranny? Am I reading all of that right? Would it be a shorty? And would it even be strong enough to be worth it?

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 08:44 PM

I'm pretty sure that the FS5W63A dogleg is stronger than the F4W63 used ion the old 510/610/710 early 620 and 521.

The '77-'79 200sx dogleg has these ratios...

1st.... 3.382
2nd... 2.013
3rd.... 1.3121
4th.... 1.000
5th.... 0.854

The optional FS5W63A dogleg used on the '80-'81HL510 (A-10) with NAPS Z20S motor has...

1st.... 3.170
2nd... 1.921
3rd.... 1.312
4th.... 1.000
5th..... 0.854 Comparing them to each other the Z dogleg has a closer ratio. You would have to swap the front case with a L series to bolt to an L motor
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