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#21 JDMjunkies.ch

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 11:00 AM

Wow, thing's progressing here, every day i learn so much about the Z - it's amazing :)

1) I started to remove the heater core today, but i got some kind of bad Pain in my neck so after probably 15 minutes i had to stop the work. anyway, the heater core is loose but i need to unbolt the two hoses before i can get out the whole heating / venting system out of my car. then the most of the interieur is luckily out :) sadly i forgot to make pictures today...

2) i was abit afraid of the fact that i probably couldn't be able to do most of my work at home, because i have no car lift and no special tools in my garage. but after reading david Lovett's amazing S30Z build thread (im reading the other ones often too :D) for the second time i was pretty sure i will somehow be able to strip the whole car including engine and subframes in my garage. maybe not as easy as in a professional garage, but i think it will work with the help of some friends :)

3) Thanks to the input of Member HS30-H in my JNC Build thread i was able to find out my car is acutally a rare swiss market car, not an imported US-Model. cool :)
How i know this? On the glove box liner there are three japanese katakana characters (ス イ ス) which means Su-I-Su and stands for Suisse, see here:
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that's his input:

As a 'Suisse' market car, you will find that it has many similarities with the north American market 'HLS30'-prefixed models, but also many differences. I would expect a nice close ratio 5-speed transmission ( FS5C71-A judging from your photos ) and a 3.9:1 Diff ratio. It will also have stiffer springing, damping and ARBs than the north American market versions, and a faster steering rack ratio too. It's a rare model of '240Z', and worth appreciating it for that.



Actually my engraved Serial number is: HLS30-56801 and yeah, i have a 5-speed manual gearbox. And of course another difference to the US-Model is the different front end with higher and smaller turn signals :) Now i know so much more about my car. thanks HS-30H you know really a lot :)

Hopefully my neck will be better again on saturday so i can contine with the heating system and start deconstructing the body :)

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 10:21 AM

Just two things today:

1) Got the heater core out, hopefully I'll be able to get my tar mats out tomorrow with the dry-ice method. A buddy of mine will come over and give me some help :)
there still was some rusty old water in the heater core..
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that's how it looked when all was out - it's getting clean inside :) in the meanwhile i also removed the relays and the ugly plush in the drivers side foot area..
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Sadly one of the heater hoses is broken:
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2) Luckily i managed to find a date stamp on one of the relays in the drivers side foot-area. it tells me the part was quality checked on 27th November in 1971. As HS30-H mentioned, it might be a november 71 build, but i researched a bit on the web and it might even be a january 1972 build.. but anyway, it was for sure registered in switzerland in the first half year of 1972:
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more coming soon :)

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 08:53 AM

So, today it was time to remove all tar-mats and sound-deadening mats by using the dry ice method.
Danny, a friend of mine came over to give me a hand and have a couple of beers :)

1) Cleaned out the car well:
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2) Then i bought 6kg's dry-ice pellets (16mm) and a rubber hammer. I got the dry ice at the local pangas shop for about 33$ including Packing
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3) filled in the stuff into the car and waited about 20-30 minutes until i heard the mats began to crack..
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4) Hacked around with the rubber hammer on the tar mats and after that the came out really good in big pieces with a hammer and a spatula.
here's my friend danny working on the mats.
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5) and here you can(t) see me working on the drivers side.
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Made a big mess, but i will clean it up on monday and then you'l get some picures of the result. I think the method works pretty well, but after all it still took us about 2-3 hours.
anyway, it's done now :)

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:18 AM

looks good man, where exactly are you located at??? you showed one picture of the frotn swaybar, it looks like someone has done metal replacement under the front rails, could be good or bad depending on the extent of the repair and the skill of the welder. also whats the deal with the rear quarters around the wheels? those dont look stock, looks like someone has cut and redone those as well. closer pics of the rear quarters please.


There is something going on with the rear wheel wells. Some work has been done there.

Looks like your going to have some fun with this one. Thanks for all the pic's I'm going to be watching this build. :D

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 08:37 AM

so, i allready got a lot of t hings done i wanted to do tomorrow, but i think that's nothing bad :)

The biggest part of today was cleaning out the mess from yesterday's dry-ice action and work on some details.
After an hour of cleaning, vacuuming and filling a complete garbage-bag with crap again the car looked like this:

I Like <3
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After the big cleaning was complete, i decided to do some other things i had in mind for a few days now, so i...
... removed the plastic covers behind the steering wheel
... removed the footrest rubber-cover
... removed all those Rubber-things in the floor-pans (Does anyone know what they're used for?)
... removed the wiring harness in the front, Antenna wire plus Audio wires complete
... removed the numberplate-lighting in the rear bumper
and at the end she looked like this inside:
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So, interieur is almost done now. Next steps will be to remove the pedals and steering column, and then I'll begin to replace the Exterieur with the USDM / JDM Front end. When everything fits i'll start to take the exterior apart.

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 10:43 AM

Progress may not be as fast as i hoped, but anyway i got a lot of things done yesterday and today. Usually i get stuck on some broken nuts or things don't working as i thought it may work, but overall i still have progress and it's great :)

Yesterday i did a lot of small things.
Got a set of jackstands and printed the jacking-section from the service manual, so i can jack it up soon:
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I started with the steering wheel, and as i hadn't any nut who was big enough i took the wheel nut cross and it worked well :)
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looked like this then:
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After that i removed the accelerator pedal and link:
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Next i wanted to remove the rear bumper who is bent by an accident from one of the previous owners, but sadly i wasn't able to get out the bolts in the side,
and o lot of nuts broke, so i decided to let it be for a while and only removed the rear number plate lighting:
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Also got off the Tank Lid and the Lock surrounding (Still in place in this picture):
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Also did some minor cleaning on the inside and removed a few screws here and there...

Today i decided to start with the steering Joint thing. worked out better than i thought :)
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And that's the result:
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then i started to remove the clutch and break pedals and got 'em loose, but i didn't get the pedal support bracket / Box out because it seems the clutch is mounted with some cind uf rubber on that, so i need to get rid of this first. As time got short i decided to get out that old panasonic Audio Amplifier that Was mounted under the firewall / Dashboard.
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Well that's it for today, hope i'll be able to work on the lady soon again :)

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 11:28 AM

I am impressed, you get a lot of work done. If I spent this much time in the garage my wife would be yelling at me all the time.

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 07:39 PM

For some Odd reason I like that carpet,don't know why but I do.
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Posted 24 November 2010 - 07:47 PM

I am impressed, you get a lot of work done. If I spent this much time in the garage my wife would be yelling at me all the time.

no kidding!!! my wife is crazy, i half to half ass my work and get done fast or i get bitched at!
car is coming along good man, its going fast now but the pace will slow down after you get it torn apart
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Posted 25 November 2010 - 08:11 AM

Thanks at all for your input :-)

@ Dennis & Braden: Yeah, i have actually Luck, because i work early and my wifle works later, so i have a couple of hours before she's back at home and of course im highly motivated as things work great now, i think progress will slow down a bit soon. specially then when i need to buy a lot of expensive parts and need to save some money all the time :)

@ Sycloned916: sadly i already threw it away, otherwise i'd shipped it to america :) But the carpet job was done horrible too. i think you can get this style of carpet in any carpet-shop :D

Next update coming on saturday i hope. I'd like to get some more things removed.. :)

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:48 AM

hmm. i was a bit curious about my taillights all the time, as well as some of you. So i made some research with help of the mighty internet and found out that the guy who restored the car once must have done some kind of Corvette taillight conversion or something because these taillight-mounts are not genuine. compare here:
Original Datsun (Ignore the lines in the picture :D)
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and mine:
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the good thing: I think they just welded in those new mounts into the original tail light panel, so if i cut them out again and maybe ad some sheet metal, i'll have the original taillight mounts back in place.
Great, but sad i'll need to do some xtra stuff again :D need to order some taillight covers and tail lights so i'll have a template to cut the holes out..

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 08:00 AM

Yeah, made some serious progress today, and even was able to do more than i planned - great :)

1) Took a closer look once again at my taillights and figured out that the new mounts just have been welded into the original bracket and that means i just can cutem
back out - great :D You still can see the old surrounding in the picture:
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2) drained the window cleaning fluid and removed the cleaning fluid tank:
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3) Removed the complete pedal box :)
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4) jacked up the car, but i need a floor jack who can do more height the jackstands are now in t he lowest position and that seems to be to low to work underneath:
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5) Removed the damaged headlight cover on the drivers side:
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6) Removed the frontbumper and broke a mount on the passenger side:
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7) removed the tray-locks on the inside. needed to make cuts with the dremels into the screws to catch 'em but worked fine:
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8) and last but not least: another view from the inside, how she looks now:
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:02 PM

Well no work today, but a bit research :)

I was reading a bit about different Blocks and heads, because somewhere in my mind i try to put together some plans and dreams for the future of the build. It's far away, but its always good to have a plan, even if you might change it until it's getting real :)
Well, let's start with the engine now:
i'm a bit curious, but european versions might have had different configuration. refering to this site: http://datsunzgarage.com/heads/ i have a JDM Head from an L20 engine, because it's an E30 Head. but according to the car's history i don't t hink it's a JDM head. maybe anyone know's more about european configurations?
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The block is a P30 Block and referring to this site: http://datsunzgarage...ngine/index.htm it seems to be equal to qhat guys in america got during the 71-73 build years.. we'll see what im able to find out..
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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:21 PM

snap a pic of the the engine ID stamp on the oil filter side of the block by the last 2 plugs at the top of the block.
itl say - L20/L24/L26/L28 ( one of them )

P30 really dosent tell you anything

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 01:26 PM

Your car is most likely a 72. I believe 70-73(?), the storage boxes behind the seats open towards the seat backs.74 and up open towards the roof. I may be a little off with those years, but there is a Wikipedia page with tons of info on the 240 and will say the exact years.

This is an awesome thread. I'm restoring a 70 240z at the moment as well, but most of the time I find myself checking this thread to see if you've updated haha

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 11:08 AM

thanks @ all for your help and input. i really apreciate your love and help for my project. you're all great - guys :)

Yeah it's getting cold here in switzerland. snow started to fall and my water bottle in the garage was frozen today, but that doesn't stop me from working on the lady :)

1) To complete yesterdays post, i made a shot of the engine block tag and it's definitly a L24 block. regarding HS30-H's comment and what i know from the previous owner the engine definitly has had a rebuild once. s o we'll see whats inside once the engine is out. probably they've done some cool stuff allready :)
@ HS30-H probably i'll need one of your heads, but that's something i have to decide once the engine is apart - but thanks a lot for your help :)
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2) Back to work :)
started with removing the sound / heat deadening mats in the storage trays:
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Next i removed those fresh air vents. The one from the driver's side is stuck somehow and the valve does only work hard...
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then i started to remove the door steps. but the screws where really unusable rusty:
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so i took my dremel and cutted a new slot to get them out:
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worked really well and they came out fine. as you can see almost no rust underneath:
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there where some bubbles under the paint so i thought maybe there was some rust underneath. took a screwdriver and scratched of the paint. but it seams like they just
painted it badly, as under the paint there was another (seemms to be original) layer of standard white paint (no pearl as the car is sprayed now..)
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well and then i started to remove the front valances. as you can see the right side is really damaged. if someone has a center piece please let me know.. it's hard to find those somehow..
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and that's how the front end looks now:
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really happy with today's progress and hope i can continue this "fast"

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 11:11 AM

wooohoow :) first parts arrived here today:

a set of really worn but repairable JDM fender mirrors. and the good thing - they're genuine long type fender mirrors, not those shorter chrome types from the 510's you see often on ebay :)
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and a headlight surrounding that will replace the broken one..
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Fits pretty well:
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and will look great once mounted, but i'll have to refurbish them first..
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now back to work, started with some parts in the engine bay today:
removed the clutch cylinder first:
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and then continued with the window washer pump and hoses:
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next was the brake master Vac with cylinders and the brakeline distributer thing:
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looks pretty empty now :)
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then i jacked up the car to a higher level, to have better access underneath. as you can see i used some high-tech tools :)
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somehow every car looks like a proffessional build when it's jacked up and wheels are removed :)
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contiuned with removing the damaged rear bumper:
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and that's how it looks underneath. really sad they broke so much things after they've restored it once. but ok. gives me the opportunity to do it better :)
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that's it for today. not sure when im able to do the next update, as im off this weekend ...

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 03:46 PM

Don't you just love scraping the tar from the car!
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Posted 03 December 2010 - 09:32 AM

sorry, don't understand what you mean. my english isn't the best :unsure:

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 08:05 AM

As most people around the world im really busy now getting all the christmas gift and doin' all the christmas stuff, so at the moment i really don't get too much things done. anyway, the postal-guy brought another pre-christmas present to me and it was a used drivers side front lower valance i bought a few days ago. looks good. needs some sanding and repeainting but looks good and even the mounts were with it :)
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There are some other packages on the way to me with more important parts for to continue the build and i have plans to get my other car into another home during winter so i have more space in my garage. it's getting really tight and as it is now i don't think i would have nough space to store all the bodypanels, doors, windows, etc.. of course i have a lot of other stuff to do and hopefully i'll find some time tomorrow. we'll see..

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