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That’s what my sister carried as her personal gun for about 20 years in her contract and work in the alphabet soup agencies.  She left me one when she passed, I still haven’t shot it.   This is an absolutely valid point.  It’s part of the Marine Corps justification for reintroduction of the 1911.  Especially in very close range fighting in Afghanistan when they started encountering targets that were purposefully ingesting potentially lethal doses of stimulants to fight more aggressively. The .45 ACP is more effective in this situation than the 9mm.  This has been proven everywhere from postmortem autopsies, government studies, to even entertainment gun content on social media.     That’s an easy one, buy 20,000 rounds of training ammo for .45 ACP vs 9mm.  Big departments like DHS might need 200,000 or even 2,000,000 rounds a year for training.  It adds up quickly in a era where agencies are under funded, they cut corners where they can.   Next, as the stated purpose of public security is to “protect and serve”.  Using a round that is claimed by NATO to be designed to ‘wound’ not kill in combat is easier to justify in court. If officers were walking around with .500 S&W Mag handguns it “creates the perception of kill squads”.     The fact of the matter is, single gun shot wounds are rarely fatal in handgun cases.  As an anecdotal piece of evidence, I was shot in the knee with a .44 mag handgun at point blank range.  I still btfo’d the shooter after being shot.  The lethality of a handgun fight increases the more rounds you get on target.  With my Glock 17, I can have up to 33 chances in a single magazine to get you to stop harming someone.  With my 8 rd 1911 magazines I need a full mag and 4 reloads to get to 33.  The other factors include things such as multiple attackers, every time your gun goes dry in a fight for your life, it’s a bad time.   After that, the ability for the round to over penetrate in modern construction is taken into account.  The way we were permitted to carry Speer Gold Dot 9mm 147 grain and the 9mm +P 124 grain rounds was because they penetrated less layers of drywall in state testing than even the CCI Blazer 9mm 115 Grain.  I wasn’t present for that test so I don’t know the methodology.   Last one I can think of off the top of my head is some agencies have policies that instruct officers to use their handgun only as a means to fight their way back to their patrol rifle.  Since the weapons are thought of as a package deal, then the agency is counting the lethal force of the 5.56 or 7.62x51.   9mm makes since for several of the reasons listed above.  However, Frank is completely correct, .45 ACP is a better ballistic round against human targets.  He’s put a lot of careful research and thought into it and you’ve reached your preferred caliber.  I choose a different caliber after a similarly involved research effort.  If we’re in a full on zombie apocalypse, I’m grabbing a .45 for the reasons he listed above.  

I like my brownie in the evening. Hour later mellow out, research some member's problem, have a laff or three. Attend one of John's lectures about how the world really is. 20 min to go 

These kids sounds like Yes and Zeppelin had a butt baby.       

At their brewery, Drake's sells a beer with 14% alc called The Denogginizer. 3 pints of that and I can't even type a damn sentence. Come to think of it, I can't write a sentence worth a damn when I'm sober. Fine, I'll drink gin then. Problem solved.

sounds like Oasis or Stone Roses